Any guy who could start an organization two weeks ago and at least quadruple the folks in the standing crowd on a soggy Saturday afternoon, sure isn't going to have any difficulty in finding a place for thousands to congregate to work on solving the problems our government is creating FOR us. Hats off to Kozi for what he is doing.

Folks who do not live in a V area are should also be concerned because the tax bases of the involved towns are about to be destroyed if those Fema maps and rules pass. To that, those folks will find out soon enough that just about the entire State of NJ will now be in one huge flood zone and it will cost bigger bucks than ever if that's possible, to remain in this the Garden State.

Everyone ought to get involved because the new game in town is going to shove the Middle Class right out of Ocean and Monmouth and other counties both on the shore and behind barrier islands. The deck is stacked so that only a one percenter will be able to afford to live here or even develop here because the costs being loaded on us are so heavy that without great, great wealth the exit which has already begun will turn into a stampede for the borders.

Wherever is the Governor hiding?

Wake up folks and stop thinking the problem relates only to the rich and famous who by the way don't tend to live on the western coast of Barnegat Bay. They are on LBI with their rock bottom taxes and safe in the knowledge that no one will dare to try to remove them.

This is the beginning and the makings of something big....

And the clock is ticking and we are aware of that. Fema and the Governor have put us in a do or die situation and the energy created now is being channeled for positive change. Join in and meet the nicest people for miles around!

Don't worry FEMA has Lots of room for us in the over 70 FEMA camps secretly built across the county

Good job fight, the "elite" rulemakers. Try a local church hall?? School gym?? Toms River Library has a meeting room too. Wake up people. The "rulers" use any crisis to advance their agendas. United Nations Agenda 21 included. Research it.

Let's remember that FEMA are the Feds, they don 't negotiate, they design a plan and they execute it, and it's executed by people from all walks of life , from parts of the country that don't understand our language here in the Tri-State area.
That's why they watch us on reality shows , the can't believe we won't quit.
So don 't expect them to understand how you feel, they don 't get us and they don't care to..

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Communities across this nation have been affected by these FEMA flood maps. Thanks, New Jersey, and good luck!!

Im proud to be associated with George! STOP FEMA NOW! Find them on facebook and also look for saveourcommumity2013@gmail
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The meeting had a huge turnout.There is no way to gauge how many people just had to drive away, as" filled to capacity", would be an understatement. People are starting to understand that EVERYONE is being affected by an ill conceived piece of legislation. Visit www.stopfemanow.com for updated information on the next meeting which will obviously require a larger venue. @Mr. Trump, is convention hall available?

I received a lot of info at this short meeting. A lot more than I learned at two fema meetings I went to. This is a scam being perpetrated by fema to raise their insurance rates .Their is nothing fema does for you without a price being paid down the line. I surprised the media has so little coverage on this . Governor sold us out for seaside !

Please help us out and sign this petition against FEMA. We have over 300 signatures and growing. Thanks for your support. Also pleas share this with everyone you know.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/reevaluate-new-fema-advisory-base-flood-elevation-maps-help-us-rebuild-not-shore-not-push-us-out/tZYxj3V5

What a joke. They all want FEMA's money, but when FEMA tells them they build their homes higher because they live in a flood area, they complain. FEMA is doling out billions, just so idiots can live near the water, well guess what, if want to continue to do so there are going to be restrictions. Abide by them or move, it's that simple.

Wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to depend on the government for insurance but got it through the private sector? Oh, wait, the private sector bailed on flood insurance about 40 years ago because they couldn't charge premiums high enough to cover the costs. But that's OK, FEMA can provide flood insurance and if they can't charge you enough to cover the actually costs, they can make taxpayers from the rest of the country subsidize your precious water-front views. Isn't it awful that they want the flood insurance rates to actually reflect the cost to insure flood-prone properties.

i'm sure a VFW, Elk's, Moose, Knight's of Columbus or local Firehouse has a hall that could have enough room for groups of this size.

sounds like they're off to a good start.

good luck.

move? who would want to buy someones home in a 'v' or 'a' flood zone? are you kidding? i wish it were that easy! we have to fight this or a lot of us will be walking away from our homes...my house is now in an 'a' flood zone...never in a flood zone before & no damage/water from sandy....waiting for the bank to call any day & tell me i have to have flood insurance (that i cannot afford). what then? we have to stick together & fight this!!!

thank you patch for getting the word out. Truly A voice for the people.this is encouraging!

What if FEMA is right and you lead people to believe they don't need Flood Insurance and then in a couple of yrs another Sandy comes barrelling up the coast..They say Sandy was the kind of storm that only comes once every hundred yrs but just the year before there was another storm similar to Sandy that didn't make the left turn.

Hooorahhhh! I am so happy about the turnout. A bad flubug got me down and unable to attend for fear of infecting others. I was also concerned about a low turn-out with the rain. I will be at the next meeting. Keep up the good fight all.

Forget it, Sheeple, FEMA has spoken and Tubby Mc Fleecejacket sees a way to get prime vacation home property for his Country Club Cronies. The fix is in and we are the victims.

The governor's not so quick to let you know where he stands on issues lately! He's now learning to tight rope, too bad he sold out to the politicos! For example, Where does he stand on Gun Control? He won't answer you either way!
The Machine got to him and we lost a great outspoken Governor, regardless of what side your on , you always knew where he was coming from. He kissed the President's ring and fell in love with that taste. Chris we hardly know you, anymore?
You F 'ed over a lot of middle class families, that the one thing they owned was little beach house and you let the Feds bulldozed over on them!

Careful everyone of the trollers on these forums...dont respond to them, they can easily be spotted by not knowing the true facts of our legitimate fight. They are here just to piss us off

The thing that some people don't understand is that neither Fema nor flood insurance pays enough to completely or nearly recover your property. The banks require flood insurance in flood zones. The prohibitive cost leaves a homeowner unable to sell the home. Who can pay a mortgage and the exorbitant insurance rates? Only the very rich. They don't want most of our peon homes. Our alternatives will be to walk away or hold the mortgage. We should have the democratic choice of taking the chance on nature to continue our residence. Too many people are under the impression that all that money appropriated by congress goes to individual home owners when in actuality, from what we see, is that most of it will go for infrastructure. To add insult to injury we will pay higher taxes to pay for congressional appropriations. FEMA puts us in a no win-lose lose situation. More homeless dependent people with lost resources. It's time to stop taking it and join together to stand up for our rights. It really hurt when Sandy beat us up but now our politicians are finishing us off.

not understanding the issue, live by tidal or non tidal you risk flooding and you need to cover your risk or loose it all ..

from the florida keys to the outter banks of the carolina s new flood maps have been drawn after the more serious storms..... how are those states coping with the new flood zones ?

Mortgage companies require flood insurance premiums on a house in a flood zone. Prospective buyers decide if they can afford a house with the mortgage, taxes, and insurance premiums. Ten years later, when FEMA comes and increases your flood premiums by thousands, existing owners cannot afford to pay. Thd banks don't want to foreclose; but the MOST IMPORTANT PART is that banks make their money on your mortgage payments, not on flood premiums. If the time comes when you get an exobitant flood premium, tell the bank you will make your mortgage payments but not pay the flood premiums. The bank will not want to foreclose when they are still making their profit; they have little or no risk as long as their is no flood, and even then they still have the property. In the end, the banks will have to re think their flood insurance requirements, not just do it because someone says a house is in a "flood zone".

I can't help but feel that once again, this current federal government is not letting a perfectly good crisis go to waste. FEMA will work with the EPA to draw up new flood zones and building restrictions which will drive out the middle class and allow the government to take over large swaths of "delicate" ecosystems at the expense of people's homes. I agree that a price should be paid for those that want the risk of living close to the water, but the proposed solutions seem draconian, meant more to accomplish the environmentalist's dream opportunity of having control of the beaches rather than returning the middle class to their homes and neighborhoods. I also agree, that once the EPA has accomplished this task, small portions will be available to those that can afford the ticket price set by the government. We all know that certain developers in this state are well connected politically, and will reap what the middle class has sowed for decades. Fight on!!! Don't let them take away your homes. But, b prepared to assume more financial responsibility too.

So sorry I couldn't be there!! Nice work George! This is how it starts.....

Best of luck. The Gov will do as well as Romney and McCain even if he gets the nomination. I am not sure he could get re elected in NJ the way things are going. He would be better as a WWE character in my book.

Read the Middletown Patch. Our Gov. will have mobile office in Atlantic Highlands to help with claims, questions, COMPLAINTS, etc. CC's senior staff will be there, reps. from flood ins. etc.
Seems like a good place for Stop FEMA to have a meeting !

Fema should be sending chills down your spine!
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/11/12/cbs-news-admits-fema-camps-are-real/

One thing FEMA is correct about:

["FEMA Reps Bracing for Consumer Backlash When NFIP Actuarial Rates Phased In
By Arthur D. Postal, PropertyCasualty360.com
December 3, 2012 •
...The law imposing the increases in January is the Biggert-Waters Act, and was enacted by Congress in July.
It would phase in actuarial rates over four years; and institute a five-year phase-in of higher rates imposed through mapping changes. The changes go into effect starting Jan. 1.
“We are expecting acute consternation,” said an unidentified aide to David Miller, FEMA associate administrator for federal insurance and mitigation...."]

Acute consternation?They were expecting it and got it--now, let's do something about it.

www.stopfemanow.com

Kudos to TRPD for handling the situation properly!

How about the Toms River Center? (Is that what it's called now?) to have the next meeting of Stop Fema Now?

We have to fight FEMA or we will all end up living in goverment housing and living off the federal dollar which we supply. Each action has an oppsite and equal reaction. These guys are trying to have the wealthlier states pay for past storms costs now and all at once. If the banks want thousands of foreclosures they better step up and get involuved instead of making all of us fight for the flood claim money that I have personally paid for the last 25yrs. I still dont know what my claim is worth. Can't make any plans to rebuild just to make it livable for my family.
Cant wait for the next meeting.
Stop FEMA now

Thank you TR police.

When is the people going to realize that you are on your own and Christie is only going to help his rich political buddies.

is it true that if I raise my house or build another to FEMA recommendations for zone V even if I am in zone A, that I will not receive any ICC monies unless I wait until the final recommendations come out in September?
I heartily agree with STOP FEMA NOW, however, even if the flood zones are changed, I think the insurance premiums will be astronomical. I am thinking that if I build to the highest recommendation, the premiums will be manageable.

Foreclosures are right. Who can afford it?

People can'tyou see that Sandy proved the new maps wrong. I was in my home and I live on the mainland side of the bay. I did not see any waves in my area just water riseing in the lagoons no high velocity waves. I had no water in our house although they now have us in the V -zone just like people who were never in any zone and had no damage now are told they are. I went to at least 7 Fema meetings and not one was worth the time . The people from fema are just here to collect a large pay check . For many years when watching other disasters in the country people never had a good thing to say about this government agencey and now we all see they were right. The one's who write stupid statements like soylant green are just losers
who are jealous of what so many have worked so hard to enjoy. Remember things can change for Christie by Nov. I voted for him and also was a big supporter Ocean and Monmouth counties put him in office and we can vote him out over this issue.
I have called his office to find out where his next town hall meeting will be and they will not tell you they don't no. They say go to his web sight -nothing there either. This is where we all need to show up and put him on the spot. Like one of the writers said he is hiding. Since he has been Gov have any of you seen you taxes come down or stay the same, he raised the Parkway tolls and put the big burden on the people from Ocean,Monmouth and Atlantic Counties

The GoV of NY gives his people a discount on toll roads when they use the roads during working hours and they also have a lower rate because they are residents not here in Jersey we pay the same as outer Staters . We have no other high way to use like the rest of NJ

WOW! There are enough conspiracy theories floating around here to script several season of a new "X Files" series.

If we really want to stop FEMA, we need a whole bunch of lawyers.

Engineers are great and I'm sure will agree that the zones are not what they should be, but the power comes from being able to litigate that and make it cost a whole lot of money to ram this non-sense down our throats.

If 170,000 effected homes file suit, then they will listen...a lot more so than even to 100 meetings that barely get a media blink. We need some well known lawyers to step up.

R

Anyone else out there have horror stories about how, if adopted, the "advised" base flood elevations will force them out of their homes?

wee.stopfemanow.com

I was born in nj and moved out. I don't blame FEMA for doing their job. I don't understand what the problem is with those living on the water or close to the water. NJ taxes go up after every storm.... If you want to live their then go by the rules or get out!!!
I grew up on the water and would never want a house there to worry about the next storm that will wipe out my home and personal belongings, yet alone my memories......
If you have the balls to live there, then have the balls to do what you have to do to keep your house safe and stop whining...
The water houses are for the rich that can afford to live there

Oceanfront mansions = 1% of homes, "the rich" as you call thnem. They have views not obstructed by dunes. The other 99% of homes (from the barrier island, all around Barnegat Bay and on the mainland (including my Silverton house) were flooded because there were no dunes or inadequate dunes, and insufficient beach replenishment.

Our properties and our lives are more important than the precious ocean views of an elite few who won't sign easements. Use eminent domain and build dunes and beef up beaches. After "the rich" raise their mansions 13 feet, they'll have views again.

FEMA should build dunes and build up eroded beaches, rather than force tens of thousands of homeowners to either raise their houses or pay big bucks every year for insurance that doesn't seem to pay its claims. Protective dunes and beaches would prevent flooding. Without them, only the few raised houses would (maybe) survive the next big storm.

Dunes and beaches are cheaper and more effective than FEMA's draconian scheme that will bankrupt the Shore.

'Beach Nourishment' is not an authorized hazard mitigation technique according to the Biggert Waters Act. You guys should really read it. You're also going to have a permanent deed restriction on your property if you accept a hazard mitigation grant. That means the property will HAVE to have flood insurance through the NFIP forever, no matter what, at whatever exorbitant rates they decide - mortgage or not. This is a hose job and throwing our neighbors under the bus is not the solution so stop doing it. Disputing the maps is a waste of time and accepting hazard mitigation money will devalue our properties even more. We must reject this unilaterally. I personally couldn't care less if FEMA never sets foot in NJ again.

Get into real estate sales , asking around my neighborhood more than half of the homeowners in my area are selling before the new regulations go into effect .Better to leave than be slowly bled into bankruptcy , we can`t afford to rebuild to the new "scientific " maps standards so the already vacant neighborhood is likely to get even bleaker looking." Jersey Empty " killed by fema ............

@ Nautigal, I tried to read the Biggert-Waters act, and had a difficulty deciphering the nomenclature. So, I read several credible interpretations, and what I discovered is that the "act" gave the NFIP five more years of shelf life. Let's hope that history does not repeat itself, and it goes away. If it doesn't it will have plenty of company. Let's multilaterally

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My husband and I would have been at the meeting. We saw ALL of the cars while we were driving to the FEMA office to sign for our SBA loan that we are taking to elevate our significantly damaged home since our insurance is STILL playing games. Keep us posted on the new location for the next meeting Please!!

We should be offered 105% of pre-flood home values by FEMA & Gov. Christie, too!

"Gov. Cuomo said yesterday that 169 of 192 residents of Staten Island’s storm devastated Oakwood Beach have taken him up on his offer to buy out their Sandy-ravaged homes.

"The people who live in the battered neighborhood have been enticed by a deal that will pay them 100 percent of their damaged home’s prestorm market value — plus 5 percent if the homeowners stay on Staten Island, Cuomo said. The feds will pick up 75 percent of the tab."

FEMA now trying to impose v-zone flood maps on new york city up to world trade center..On channel 5 news tonight .one proposal was to eliminate 1st floors in apartment buildings from occupancy .I guess the subways will have to be elevated again .And so the brain trust goes.................

great job organizing! thanks we need the help any way we can get it