Protesters Again Urge Freeholders to End Gassing of Canada Geese
Ocean County officials say nonlethal programs have been expensive and ineffective; activists decry inhumane gassing
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Protesters holding cutouts of Canada geese and buttons picturing the birds urged the Ocean County Board of Freeholders again to abandon a contract with the federal government that provides for the killing of Canada geese as a measure of population control.
The protesters — about a dozen or so, representing GooseWatch NJ and the Humane Society of the United States as well as a handful of Ocean County residents — spoke in particular about the method used by the U.S. Department of Agriculture for killing the geese: rounding them up while they are unable to fly and then gassing them with carbon dioxide.
Since 2008, the county has contracted with the USDA for removal of a portion of the county's population of Canada geese. The contracts have cost $64,243, with more than 650 geese killed so far. But Freeholder Deputy Director John Bartlett said that contract was entered into after a decade of attempting to control the geese through nonlethal methods and seeing no improvement.
"It's not up to us to gas them because we find them inconvenient," said Judy Allen, a resident of Greenbriar Woodlands in Toms River. "There has to be a better alternative. I don't approve of my tax money going to this."
At the end of the meeting, Bartlett directed Michael Mangum, director of the department of Parks and Recreation, to talk with the protest groups to see if there were any other solutions that have not been considered.
The protesters first spoke at the May 16 freeholders meeting, with five speakers —none from Ocean County — speaking against the contract. At that time, Bartlett, the liaison to the county's parks and recreation department, said the issue isn't one of inconvenience as much as one of health and safety.
According to a 2009 post on the blog Birdstrike Control Program, New Jersey is home to roughly 80,000 Canada geese, the largest population of any state in the country. How many of those reside in Ocean County is unclear but the problem, officials say, is the geese are resident Canada geese — not ones migrating to and from Canada.
The goose population began growing significantly in the 1980s and 1990s, and Bartlett said that as the population expanded, the county began having water quality issues at Stanley "Tip" Seaman Park in Tuckerton and A. Paul King Park in Manahawkin, forcing repeated swimming closures of the lakes at both parks.
"Lake Manahawkin was closed for years because of water quality issues," Bartlett said. "Elimination of geese has allowed us to restore swimming at that park."
"These are resident, non-migratory geese that were not here ... 20 years ago," Bartlett said, noting the county had tried dogs to chase the geese, firing blanks from shotguns to scare them, repellents, eagle kites (a predator of Canada geese) and physical barriers — but none were effective. Over time, the geese realized there was no real threat and came back, he said.
"We’ve done addling of eggs and that works to some extent if you can find all nests and get to them, but you can’t," he said. Addling of eggs involves shaking the eggs so they won't hatch. Another method of preventing the hatching of eggs involves coating them with oil, essentially suffocating the embryo because the oil blocks the shell's permeability.
Kathleen Schatzmann, New Jersey state director of the HSUS, suggested that perhaps the county's past attempts to use nonlethal means were not chosen well.
"Harassment strategies are immensely more effective," said Schatzmann, who lives in Monmouth County. "I implore you to stop the gassing."
Suzanne Dragon of Aberdeen said often the problem is that agencies trying use nonlethal methods don't use them effectively.
"They implement a little bit of this a little bit of that, and they don't give it long enough to work," she said. "If you want to have a lasting solution, you need to do it exactly as Geese Peace (another organization fighting the killing of Canada geese) says."
But Dragon sparked Bartlett's ire when she began to draw a comparison between gassing the geese and the gassing of Jews during the Holocaust. Dragon, who is Jewish, said, "You have no idea what it feels like to someone who had family members who were gassed," to which Bartlett replied the comparison was inappropriate.
Things also got testy when David Sauder, president of the Animal Rights Activists of NJ, began to recite information that contends droppings from the geese — the birds produce between a half-pound and a pound of feces per day, according to the Rutgers Cooperative Extension Service — do not contribute significantly to water quality issues.
"Domestic animal waste and poor water circulation are much greater causes of water quality problems," Sauder said.
Bartlett interrupted Sauder: "You're saying domestic animal waste as opposed to wild animal waste?" and Sauder insisted the geese droppings were not the problem.
"The droppings are merely lying on the ground," he said.
Sauder cited information from a biologist who previously worked for the state that said the droppings did not carry a significant amount of the types of bacteria that are associated with human illnesses, such as E. coli, giardia, salmonella and cryptosporidium.
"The amount of cryptosporidium is minimal and unimportant," Sauder said. "The giardia transmission is small compared to humans."
"Toddlers pose a far greater risk to public health than Canada geese," Sauder said.
According to the Centers for Disease Control, Canada goose feces contain all of the bacteria listed above and many more, including a variant of chlamydia that was labeled as a serious threat. But the CDC notes there is not enough data on the risk because few studies have been done on the feces. The US Geologic Survey, in concert with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, conducted a study in the late 1990s that noted the existence of pathogens in the feces. A report issued in 2003 for the 10th Wildlife Damage Control conference also noted the lack of data and a need for further study. (Both documents are attached to this story in pdf form.)
An 2009 article in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology, produced by the American Society for Microbiology, concluded: "The importance of free-living bird populations as reservoirs for human waterborne pathogens is becoming increasingly evident. Due to their migratory character, waterfowl populations can amplify and eventually transmit infectious microbes to humans by directly contaminating agricultural fields or surface waters used for potable water, recreation, or crop irrigation."
But it, too, notes more research is needed.
Bartlett and Freeholder Joseph H. Vicari, who was a principal in the Brick Township schools in the 1990s, said the risk wasn't just to water quality.
"I had kids with eye infections, their parents coming to me asking for help," Vicari said.
Josh Barr of GooseWatch NJ suggested, in a letter to the freeholders that he distributed to the media, that the problem of kids getting skin infections could be dealt with by more parents teaching their children to wash their hands.
"I've played on fields with bird slicks, swam in water where bird bombs touched down. But I also had parents who taught me the highly complex art of washing my hands," he wrote. "It's not a cure-all. It will help."
"I would love to have them (the protesters) talk to some of the moms who've called us," Mangum said after the meeting.
GooseWatch NJ contends nonlethal methods are less costly, citing how Lacey Township went from spending $9,000 on lethal means of dealing with the geese to $3,000 on nonlethal means.
According to Lacey Township Administrator and Municipal Clerk Veronica
Laureigh, the township has expended about $5,700 to date on nonlethal methods to control the geese population. Laureigh noted that is only for two lakes, which is a small condensed area compared to the county
areas.
Bartlett said nonlethal methods were more expensive than the contracts it's had in place since 2008.
"We spent $53,000 on border collies," Bartlett said Wednesday. But the county was unable to provide a complete estimate of how much it cost to employ the nonlethal methods.
"Because of the number of other methods used — including but not limited to dogs, sound machines, guns firing blanks, owls, plastic alligators, repellents, physical barriers, etc, and the number of years over which we have used these techniques, we don't have a running tally of the cost available," said Donna Flynn, the county's public information director.
Mangum did point out after the meeting that the USDA contract is not just for gassing the birds.
"They are addling the eggs as well," Mangum said. But the county can only get to nests on its property, which means other places the geese are nesting go untouched. A pair of Canada geese produces three to eight young per year, which means the population can increase rapidly.
And the problem of the feces isn't just limited to swimming, he noted. Even if you use a machine such as one Sauder suggested called "Nature Sweep," which picks up the debris from grassy areas, Mangum said, the residue is still left behind.
"Parks are built for people and we invest a lot of money in that," Bartlett said. "It's unfortunate but the only (method) that works is to eliminate the geese through the program with the USDA."
"We always look for other means," Mangum said. "This is a last resort."
Patty A
3:27 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Primitive, barbaric and senseless are the only ways to describe such recklessness and disregard for nature. Shame on Ocean Country for looking to gas chambers as their "solution" to human and wildlife "conflicts." Disgusting.
ballyjduf
7:49 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
IT'S NOT WORKING ..... THEY NEED TO GAS MORE OF THEM .
OH PATTYA ? HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE AS PETS ? DIDN'T THINK SO
Patty A
7:19 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
@ ballyjduf, if you recall, gas chambers were originally designed for humans. So who and what are you talking about?
foggyworld
11:49 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Patty, I live in the wetlands and am surrounded appropriately by Canada Geese. I had no idea this was going on and question the need, frankly. The population of geese where I live is way down and I thought due to egg addling.
To this gassing program, the County pays a great deal of money to uproot the grasses out of the wetlands every five years or so and by doing that, the geese are denied the use of the land that has been set aside for them and other wildlife. A study done in the 1970's is the basis for the huge amount of money and damage done to the wetlands because in that single person's thesis, mosquito breeding would be cut down with the elimination of those grasses.
Wrong but it goes on and on so that that most of the time the wetlands in Bayville anyway are turned into mud and mosquitos seem to thrive while the birds are driven out.
We need better educated people making decisions.
Micheal Houser
9:25 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
let all the geese poop on your lawn and see what you want to do with them.
Onyx Embridge
3:48 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
To the moms who worry about goose poop - you better start building your germ free plastic bubble now for your kids to live in.
Do some research...I hope none of you let your children use public swimming pools, water parks, hot tubs etc.
"Swimmers share the water—and the germs in it—with every person who enters the pool. On average, people have about 0.14 grams of feces on their bottoms which, when rinsed off, can contaminate recreational water. In addition, when someone is ill with diarrhea, their stool can contain millions of germs. This means that just one person with diarrhea can easily contaminate the water in a large pool or water park.
People may not realize that although there is no standing water in interactive fountains/water play areas, the spray water will rinse any contaminants (for example, diarrhea, vomit, and dirt) down into the water holding area and be sprayed again. In other words, the water is recycled through the system.
Swallowing even a small amount of recreational water that has been contaminated with feces containing germs can make you sick."
http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/swimming/rwi/rwi-where.html
Onyx Embridge
3:51 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Dr. Milton Friend, former director, Wildlife Research Center Water Fowl Disease U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is adamant: "On occasion we have been wading in that stuff [feces], dead birds up to our elbows... THERE IS NOT A SINGLE DOCUMENTED CASE OF ANY OF US COMING DOWN WITH ANY KIND OF A DISEASE PROBLEMS AS A RESULT OF THE CANADA GOOSE...WE DO NOT HAVE A HUMAN HEALTH SITUATION, NOT IN THE URBAN GOOSE, NOT IN THE WILD GOOSE, and not in the captive geese that we have also worked with. We do have a lot of diseases out there that can affect people. MOST OF THEM COME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES AND DO NOT COME FROM THE CANADA GOOSE AND I’LL LEAVE YOU WITH THAT.”
A Resident
3:53 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Patty A, you forgot "effective" in your description.
Onyx Embridge
7:52 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Effective?...killing geese that a lot of people like to see in their parks...every year ...and dividing the community every year is 'effective'?? Effective is learning to peacefully coexist and mitigating any issues you have with them...egg addling and a Naturesweep, or a rake. If your aim is to live goose free you will never get that and will be paying the USDA every year to cause these divisions in your community and you are not doing your reputation any good either.
http://www.articles.lovecanadageese.com/peacewithgeese.html
Communities throughout North America are coexisting with Canada goose populations....
http://www.articles.lovecanadageese.com/halloffame.html
Big Spring Park in Huntsville, Alabama even sells grain for people to feed their geese. http://blog.al.com/breaking/2011/10/huntsville_hopes_to_curb_overf.html
Mark Wendell
8:48 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
no one but six or seven bunny lovers likes seeing them in their parks. Bullets are cheaper than Naturesweeps and fences. If you love nature so much why would you propose cutting down trees to make a fences that desecrates the view of nature. Simple fact, if this was put to a county wide vote you would lose big time. Hunters have elemanated species before so it can be done again. Onyx, let me guess your yard is full of buffalo?
Patty A
7:25 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
OK, lets talk about "effective." Eliminating cars will be the most effective means for saving human lives lost to car accidents. Chopping down all the trees will be the most effective means for eliminating possibility of someone dying from falling tree branch. Killing all dogs and cats will be most effective in the prevention of dog bites and cat scratches. Banning ALL sodas and sweets will be most effective in prevention of obesity. And after we have implemented all these "effective" means to make our lives safer, healthier and better the only question needed to be asked is, "If life worth living anymore?"
Patty A
8:59 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
@ Mark: Bullets would be cheaper to solve most of our problems, wouldn't they? You know, like rising health care costs, housing, education, jobs. Fewer people, fewer problems.
Onyx Embridge
4:00 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I don't know why each community is not managing their canada goose issues or why it is a county wide issue.
Each community should be able to manage their own issues non-lethally and separately. My city has been addling the eggs of our year round population of Canada geese for decades and believes it is the most humane effective goose management method. You can get trained volunteers to addle eggs..you don't have to pay the USDA for that. You also get private citizens to report goose nests and allow you onto their property to addle eggs. Problem solved with the population.
Any goose poop problems can be solved with a rake or sprinker or buy a Naturesweep like Saranac, NY did and you can turn it into rich compost.
"After watching one of his employees use the Nature Sweep on the practice football field Thursday, Lee Daunais, the district's director of facilities, said yes.
"I'm impressed," he said. "The guy told me, 'Lee, after you have this a week, you or Gerry will call me and thank me.' I think he's right. I really do."
http://adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/527020/Goose-poop-scooper-gets-trial-run.html?nav=5008
Karen Wall
10:54 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Onyx, respectfully, the property the county is managing is property owned by Ocean County, not by the local communities. That's why the county is managing the issues.
david
4:07 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Ocean County doesn't seem to understand that killing the geese won't solve their problems.
Onyx Embridge
4:41 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
It certainly won't solve their problems because for one thing it isn't geese....their problem is human arrogance and entitlement with a little bit of the USDA killing philosophy mixed in. This is a problem in some human's psyche and we hope Ocean County has an epiphany.....I would never visit goose killing fields. ever.
“This is dreadful! Not the suffering and death of the animals, but that a man suppresses in himself, unnecessarily, the highest spiritual capacity -- that of sympathy and pity towards living creatures like himself -- and by VIOLATING HIS OWN FEELINGS BECOMES CRUEL. And how deeply seated in the human heart is the injunction not to take life!”.....Leo Tolstoy.
Humanity can forget improving humanity until it loses some of its almighty arrogance towards the rest of the planet.
Onyx Embridge
4:15 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
"Even if you use a machine such as one Sauder suggested called "Nature Sweep," which picks up the debris from grassy areas, Mangum said, the residue is still left behind."
...do we have any scientific studies on this or do we have to take Mangum's word for it?
I suggest if Mangum is worried about some geese he better REALLY worry about DOGS and the 'residue' they leave behind. If you aren't killing dogs you have no excuse to kill geese.
"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) deemed pet waste a “nonpoint source of pollution” in 1991, which put poop in the same category as oil and toxic chemicals!
A single gram of dog waste can contain 23 million fecal coliform bacteria, which are known to cause cramps, diarrhea, intestinal illness, and serious kidney disorders in humans.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pet droppings can contribute to diseases animals pass to humans, called zoonoses. When infected dog poop is deposited on your lawn, the eggs of certain roundworms and other parasites can linger in your soil for years. Anyone who comes into contact with that soil—be it through gardening, playing sports, walking barefoot or any other means—runs the risk of coming into contact with those eggs; especially your dog. "
http://doodycalls.com/resources_toxic_dog_waste.asp
Onyx Embridge
4:24 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
"Parks are built for people"....is that one of Mangum's New Jersey laws? We obviously don't have laws like that where I live.....which may be why it is always named one of the most desirable cities in the world to live in.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.240501412637772.59680.100000337454953&type=3&l=9b4f99a190
"The best remedy for man's total lack of understanding of natural harmony lies in giving children as much contact as possible with live animals." Konrad Lorenz, Nobel Prize winning Austrian zoologist, ethologist, and ornithologist
"Most people seldom encounter anything but lifeless, man-made things in their daily lives and have lost the capacity to understand living things or to interact with them. That loss helps explain why mankind as a whole exhibits such vandalism toward the living world of nature that surrounds us and makes our way of life possible. It is an important and worthy undertaking to try to restore the lost contact between human beings and the other living organisms of our planet."….. Konrad Lorenz, Nobel Prize winning Austrian zoologist, ethologist, and ornithologist
Karen Wall
10:01 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Actually, the quote you cite is from Freeholder Bartlett. I'll clarify the story if that is unclear.
Frank Wells
11:50 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
So are you suggesting parks are not built for people where you live? Are they instead built for the wild life? I would like to know which city has such a policy...why would people want to live there?
Chief Wahoo
4:43 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
put up real life looking wolf decoy (that sell online for this exact problem) around the area and the geese will move elsewhere ......then gas all the freeholders
Ken
5:40 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
The company I work for bought this and they only work for a few days, even when you move them to other spots to make it sem like they have moved. TYotal wast of time and money
Mark Wendell
7:36 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
wastes of time and money does not work after few days.
All4Lacey
4:49 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
My grandkids can't play on the grass because of the massive goose dung.
It threatens their health and denies them the use of their own yard and local outdoor parks... Perhaps we should consider protecting cockroaches too!
I support gasing them... Rather quick and painless.
Ken
5:43 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I agree with you 100%. Does not matter if you teach your children to wash their hands like someone suggested. The droppings are everywhere so people can not even enjoy the parks we pay for or even our own back yards. Use any method possible to get rid of these geese.
Onyx Embridge
5:52 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Well obviously you are OK with rounding up and gassing dogs too. Kids here don't have any problem with our city's geese and they haven't made anyone sick. There is no reason you can't keep geese off your own yard...put up a fence. Why should everyone else be deprived of peaceful urban wildlife because you can't PUT UP A FENCE....I suggest a hermatically sealed plastic bubble for your grandkids. And you are raising them to be whining, entitled nature hating wimps.
http://doodycalls.com/resources_toxic_dog_waste.asp
Gassing is hardlly 'quick and painless'...it has been banned in many animal shelters and unlike dogs and cats geese can hold their breath a long time so it can take up to an hour for the geese and goslings to suffocate. PS You are pathetic.
Mark Wendell
7:40 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
@allforlacey I don't agree with he health hazard thing because of the info I have seen but lets face it, it is disgusting and nasty and there are way to many of these things around. No one (except Onyx) wants to be covered in poop.
A Resident
8:41 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Onyx Embridge, I don't know what "city" you live in, but I don't live in a "city". I live in a small town and it has a geese problem. Go to any open field, lake, or even a few large lawns in town and you will see geese and their droppings. It's not quaint. It's not enjoyable. It's dirty. It's filthy. By the way, non-lethal efforts have been under way for at least 5 years...and guess what....the number of geese are still increasing.
Micheal Houser
9:33 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Amen All4Lacey!!!! People who don't want to gas the geese are uneducated simpletons!!! Most likely they are also unemployed to have the time to care what the county is doing with the out of control geese population. Look at the havoc the reap upon major airports. It is appalling that people won't act to control this problem. I feel all the people who support not killing the geese should be put on a plane and flown though gaggle of geese to see if this would change their opinion!!!!!
1stcav
4:51 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Should worry more about the illegals in the kitchens preparing YOUR food @ the ITALIAN restaurants in TR or ANY other restaurant hiring them. IE;Look for the Mexican parking lot out back ( Bike racks ) everywhere.
Ken
5:44 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
This is true also, but everyone turns their heads when it comes to the illegal aliens.
Mattie
6:23 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Beautiful bigoted comment. What a fine example of an Ocean County resident.... (not)
Ken
5:46 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I do not always agree with the Freeholders, but on this I do. Use gas or whatever other methods to get rid of these things. They ruin the parks, lawns, playing fields and everything else. Just get rid of these things for good.
Onyx Embridge
5:57 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
What I always find so sad is that a Canada goose has more character in one little webbed foot than every person of your mentality combined. You have NO character you just want anything that annoys you in the slightest to be 'taken care of' for you. Unlike you Canada geese believe in living and let living. They are brave beyond measure and 100% loyal to family and mate. It drives me crazy that nothings like you denigrate these amazing creatures. Karma is a b*tch ....
Ken
7:26 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
@ Onyx Embridge....I think the freeholders or whoever should do whatever possible to get you to shut up, from what I see let alone you don't live in the area, you do not even live in New Jersey. So worry about your own area and just mind your own business.
Mark Wendell
7:41 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
right on Ken
A Resident
8:42 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Onyx Embridge....I had no idea you were a goose whisperer. In your conversations with them, please ask them to leave the area before they are harmed. Thank You.
Micheal Houser
9:45 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Onyx, keep the geese in Canada you moron!!!!! You are an idiot; "they are brave beyond measure" I could care less if they kill the geese or let them live!!!! The fact that you have the time to post something about a stupid bird tells me that you have no life and should prob go back to the mental institution you came out of. Why don't you spend your time protesting something worth while and if you can't go jump off a building and try to fly with the geese
chris a
5:53 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Let the hunters kill them.
Avenging Angel
6:05 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
These geese are flying disease bags. They should all be exterminated.
Onyx Embridge
6:35 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Wow.....uneducated much or just naturally stupid? Unless you regularly chow down on goose poop you're not likely to catch a disease from a Canada goose. But with a comment like you made I wouldn't be surprised.
Comfortably Numb
6:10 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Use them as food for the homeless.
Onyx Embridge
6:41 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Right....you throw away half the food produced in the USA every year but you need to kill urban wildlife to feed your poor. Well it's not that healthy... and it's not that cheap either. If you are worried about the poor you will just donate cash so the food pantries can buy some decent food. NJ is probably the most air and water polluted state in North America and I wouldn't eat your wildlife if I was starving.
“Wild Waterfowl - Mergansers are the most heavily contaminated waterfowl species and should not be eaten. EAT NO MORE THAN TWO MEALS PER MONTH OF OTHER WILD WATERFOWL; YOU SHOULD SKIN THEM AND REMOVE ALL THE FAT before cooking, AND DISCARD STUFFING AFTER COOKING. Wood ducks and Canada geese are less contaminated than other wild waterfowl species and diving ducks are more contaminated than dabbler ducks. (Contaminants - PCBs, mirex, chlordane, DDT).
http://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/outdoors/fish/health_advisories/advice_on_eating_game.htm
Onyx Embridge
6:42 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Food banks in Washington turned down the offer of Canada geese. “The geese are disposed of in a landfill because there aren’t many uses for their meat. There isn’t a lot of meat to begin with because they are molting. Although officials have tried to donate the meat, there aren’t a lot of shelters that would take it because it’s not USDA approved.” http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ren/news/124793959.html
Birmingham food banks turn down geese- “For us not being able to guarantee how often people are going to eat it, then we probably should err on the side of safety and not distribute it," she said.
The geese habitat at the city parks provided the biggest risks for the food bank, as they were unsure about what the geese had ingested, such as insecticides and pesticides, Kelley said.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2011/07/food_bank_turns_down_meat_from.html
NJProud0822
6:37 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Both of my kids have complained that they can't go on the grass during recess at school because the fields are filled with goose poop. And not every place you live at permits you to put up a fence - there are homeowner associations that ban such practices. Also, have you ever been driving down Brick Boulevard, or Hooper Avenue, going 50 mph and WHAM! you have to come to a complete stop because of the geese trying to cross all 6 lanes of traffic during rush hour morning? What's more important? Maybe gassing is not the way to go, but these geese are everywhere, and it's getting out of control. I agree that they need to go!!!!
Ken
7:29 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I agree with you and I love the fact the biggest mouth on here taking the side of the geese does not even live in New Jersey. Maybe they should worry about their own state.
Patty A
7:34 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Well then plants some trees and tall plants. Geese need open space to watch out for predators. But, certainly no predator on 4 legs represents the danger of whining, paranoid whimps on 2 legs. Build a plastic bubble for your kids. Nature is a b^&th.
Sheila Tompkins
8:41 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
@Ken
I'm happy someone as educated as Onyx is standing up for these animals. I'm tired of humans always rushing to kill creatures they deem as annoying or scary or inconvenient. I've also noticed all the research he has cited to back his opinions. Funny how I don't see anything like that from you. The fact is, there has to be another option than gassing that will help control the population without destroying the animal. Let's try putting out minds to good use and come up with a better solution than what we've tried all around. We are supposed to be the smartest animals on the planet... although after reading some of these comments, that could be debated!
Laci
6:46 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Hire the Geese Police, to get the flock out of there..............
Mark Wendell
7:42 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Laci, they are effective but very expensive. ( was looked into by my employer for several local schools)
Patty A
7:37 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Ken, what are you doing on the Internet? You realize, don't you that this is a "global community?" Throw out your cell phone and lap top if you don't welcome communications from "outsiders."
Cheryl S.
6:50 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Humans are responsible for more disease transmission and epidemics worldwide. Humans have destroyed habitat for animals to live in. Humans have polluted the lakes streams and rivers that the animals need for survival.
So from what I'm seeing of human behavior is a rapid extinction of our species and killing all threats will not bring that to a later end.
Geese poop....Kill them! Bears......live in the woods where we want to live and they CAN kill you......Kill them! Deer carry ticks which can make you sick.........Kill Them! Wolves kill the weaklings in a heard of cattle...Kill Them! Sharks have bitten hundreds of people..........Kill Them! Mountain Lion are sneaky and will try to eat you if they are hungry......Kill Them! Prairie Dogs make holes in the ground and their fleas may carry the plague.......Kill Them! Buffalo will trample you to death.......Kill Them! Oh, that's been done. Any animal that poops where you might step in it, any animal that has teeth and/or claws that Might eat you, any animal that slithers............ALL Should Die! Then when we are all done with that list, will we start looking at our pain in the butt neighbors next???
Frank Wells
11:19 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
I now get it! MAN is the problem. Come on New Jersey, let the wildlife in your state reign over the selfish, evil, foul, murderous humans who mess up nature and cause problems for god's creatures.....maybe if we were better people the geese would like us and not crap on our lawns. Cheryl S. has made it clear... animals are GOOD...humans are EVIL (Where do these people come from?)
BW
7:18 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Are they not edible? Why not catch them kill them and send to food pantries, nursing homes, etc like they do with deer? Seriously if it is food source take advantage of it. No different then turkeys or chicken.
Would solve 2 problems at once
Cheryl S.
7:30 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I think it was answered earlier? About 4 posts up from yours by Onyx.
Onyx Embridge
7:35 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Ha ha ha Ken...the freeholders should do whatever to shut me up? This is why I live in Canada....we don't have a stand your ground law here that allows idiats to run around shooting innocent people.
So what are your actual arguments against what i've said? You've been killing geese for years and guess what..you still have geese. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Why don't you throw your money down the toilet while you're at it?
Onyx Embridge
7:39 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
They are different than turkey's and chicken because domestic birds are raised in a controlled pesticide free environment. Geese fly, swim and eat in all NJ's pollution. I think once when someone had the idea of feeding geese to the poor they found they were so contaminated with mercury after spending money testing them they ended up in a landfill. It is also recommended anyone with compromised immune systems not eat wild game and who but the poor and people in nursing homes is most likely to have compromised immune systems? Wild geese are sponges for everything out there.
Mark Wendell
12:59 pm on Monday, June 18, 2012
I agree dont gas them, shoot them.
ballyjduf
7:51 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK - FREEHOLDERS - GAS AWAY
Mark Wendell
8:53 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
I'll help them do it for free if that'll help get it done. There is not a school district or sport parent in Ocean County that would turn this down. The county can have at it on my property anytime. Thank You Freeholders.
numbc limk
2:14 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
You have NO character you just want anything that annoys you in the slightest to be 'taken care of' for you. Unlike you Canada geese believe in living and let living.How to meet wealthy men or beautiful women,come and join us at http://www.lovewealthy.com. Increase your chances in meeting the man of your dreams.
Patty A
9:06 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
I did not see any mention in the article of habitat modification which is the most effective means for "keeping geese away." Geese need to have open space to see predators. By planting trees and high plants or just letting the grass grow, geese would be deterred. But, of course it is so much easier to complain, whine and get out the gas chambers.
Karen Wall
10:47 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Patty A, habitat modification was mentioned in the meetings. HSUS actually said harassment is the most effective method.
David Sauder suggested habitat modification of putting riprap on beaches; Bartlett's response was that keeps the people off the beaches as well.
And one of the biggest areas where the conflict exists in Ocean County is at sports complexes. High grass and trees can't be planted in the middle of a soccer field.
That is why I did not include any of that in the article. It really doesn't address the conflict.
Lakeland63
9:32 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
In addition to health risks, it was Canadian Geese that forced Scully to land in the Hudson River. Only Scully's skill saved a lot of lives. People before geese. Sure do not need a replay in Ocean county. I agree with the freeholders.
Patty A
9:40 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Lakeland, why don't you do some actual research on that incident? The plane had suffered engine stall on a previous flight and almost had to emergency land. The particular Airbus 360 has tendency towards engine stall and is most involved in bird strikes. The two geese flight 1540 collided with were migratory geese from Canada NOT resident geese from NYC or NJ. Finally, according to the Airports Council International of North America, a person's chances of dying as result of aircraft/wildlife collision are ONE IN 750 MILLION. Narrow that stat down to just Canada geese alone and it is more like one in a billion or even less. Don't leave your house today. You have a far better chance of actually being killed by a falling tree branch.
Capt Jacobsen Mey
10:06 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
If anyone wants to rent some (18) Wheelers, I'll be first in line to be the Pied Piper leading those dirty Geese into the boxes.
These Geese have over populated areas of which can no longer be under constant maintenance and/or be financially supported due to the excrement that is left by these huge creatures. They are not in danger of being extinct, they are not an endangered species. They are large pests. They will and have been known to chase after humans if nearby. They need to be controlled.
When all other methods have failed and the geese population is exploding, unfortunately drastic measures must be taken not only to reduce the population, but to take back areas of which they have taken over.
Some of you are nuts to compare a wild species such as the Canadian Geese to humans and or other "pets". These geese are large pests, they don't contribute anything beneficial to the public.
Get rid of them.
Oh yea, how about decreasing the population of feral cats as well while removing he geese. :)
Patty A
10:11 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Yea, Capt, why don't we just gas, shoot and slaughter everything that can't text a message on a cell phone?
Or, better yet, why don't you just build a plastic bubble around yourself and stay home with your laptop, cell phone and video games?
Some people actually enjoy nature AND cats.
Mike
10:25 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Either way, 650 geese killed in 4 years seems just as ineffective as the non lethal methods.
Patty A
10:53 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Geese, like coyotes are amazingly adapatable and intelligent. Some animals "compensate" for endless human persecution and predation by breeding more and becoming more clever at hiding nests and protecting young. Geese are like that. Better to gain some understanding of the animals and try to work with then instead of against them.
Personally speaking after years of observing geese and reading many of the comments on this board, I would say the geese are infinitely smarter than most humans.
Capt Jacobsen Mey
10:35 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Hi Patty -
Do your research on Canadian Geese and the effects they have on the environment and public places. Also, do your research on the diseases and dangers of Feral cats as well. Neither benefits the public in any way.
There are many States and Towns that have spent exhorbitant amounts of money trying to rid their public areas of the Canadian Geese - not only using their own resources, but contracting the work out to such "Geese Pros" and the end result has had very little effect in riddin the area of Geese. It's only cost excessive money and labor hours.
If you like walking in geese dung, be my guest.
A plastic bubble would be cool, but you better move out of the way when I come rolling through, because I can't guarantee I'd be able to swerve to avoid bowling you over (or taking out a few Geese in the process). Do I need a special permit to operate a plastic bubble?
:)
Patty A
10:45 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Well, Capt, you know what happened in Europe when they decided to "get rid of" all their feral cats?
Hate to say it, but one day similar catastrophe will happen to us in our lust "to get rid" of any animal that inconveniences us or gets in our way.
You may think that geese and cats live in some kind of vacumn from the rest of nautre, but I got news for you. They don't.
You may need that plastic bubble after all.
Patty A
3:23 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Capt, if you do any research on Canada geese, you will first learn they are not called, "Canadian." They are not a nationality and are in fact native to North America. If you ever bothered to observe them and other waterfowl, you would learn that geese are important to other waterfowl in terms of providing security and warning of dangers. Nothing lives in a vacumn.
PeopleAnnoyMe
10:36 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
I rather know that myself and my family's health is okay. Geese are using the bathroom in our lakes which our kids swin in.. What ever has to be done to get rid of them THEN PLEASE SOMEONE DO WHAT THEY GOTTA DO.. How gross to think what bacteria is in our lakes.. They have tried not to kill them and so far it has not worked.. Next step is take them all out!
Patty A
10:40 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
@ "People Annoy Me": Can I borrow your screen name as reply to you? Thanks.
Cheryl S.
11:31 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
LMAO!! Don't fish poop?
Commenting
12:02 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I didn't know geese "went to the bathroom". There is the answer Porta Potties!
Patty A
3:24 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Don't kids (and some "adults") pee in pools?
max
6:16 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
@Patty A....but don't pools have filters?
Patty A
11:00 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
@ Keith: Wow, it sounds like you got a big wad of something on your shoulder, and I ain't talking bird poo. Sorry that someone or something in life is making you so miserable. Maybe go to Coney Island today and take a ride on the Cyclone. There, there now. ;)
Dan S
11:05 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
I have lived in Ocean County most of my life. I have never had an issue with the geese. Other counties can deal with their goose issues more humanely, why can't Ocean County? Bullets? Gas? Most Ocean County residents I have talked to are not in support of killing let alone inhumanely gassing the geese. There is definitely a problem here but killing geese it just band-aiding the symptom and not addressing the cause.
Capt Jacobsen Mey
11:21 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
What's the difference in Canadian Geese and "home" Geese? They both have over populated many regions, and more so, they both deficate all over the place. They don't leave normal "bird droppings", they leave poop that is as big as that left behind from a small dog. When there is an abundance of Geese, they are leaving an abundance of poo.
Walk around area where these Geese have decided to take over - better still, go walk around barefoot or take your children to those same spots and let them play there.
When all humane methods have been exhausted, the only method remaining is to expunge them from the area by lethal means. Towns can't continue to waste money, man hours or resources running around chasing Geese, or shaking eggs - as mentioned as well - has had NO effect on ridding the areas of these water fowl pests.
Name one factual instance as to how Geese, Canadian or "home" bred, are beneficial - other than bird folks enjoying looking at them and their young.
Patty, I've been thinking of constructing a big plastic bubble ball made of Bubble Wrap. This way, when I'm rolling around, the bubbles will make "pop-pop" noises and you and the geese will know when I'm rolling around... I wonder if a Silly Putty ball would be better, this way when rolling, the Geese will get trapped in the Putty and I can send them to PopCorn Park Zoo for all the Geese Lovers.
:)
A Resident
12:29 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
"What's the difference in Canadian Geese and "home" Geese?" - Canadian Geese still migrate to the North and are temporary problems. The "home" Geese have stopped migrating and have become a constant problem.
Patty A
3:26 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Well, if there are "young" goslings in Ocean County, that shows the community was not addling eggs. So much for "We tried the alternatives and they didn't work!" You actually have to DO them Ocean County!
max
6:19 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Patty A.....why don't you go try these methods for a whole year, then come back and tell us how it worked for you?
So Much to Say
12:06 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
These pests are horrible. There fecal matter carry disease and germs and is unhealthy and nasty to come in contact with. I'm sick of going to any of our parks and stepping in goose poop. GAS THEM ALL!
Patty A
3:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
So Much to Say -- you don't have anything worthwhile to say. Sounds like you've been eating too much goose.
Lman
12:43 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Are these canadians here legally
Bill Storm,
12:59 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
HERE IS AN EASY SOLUTION. ALL THE GOOSE LOVERS, EVERY MORNING AT SUNRISE GO TO THE GOLF COURSES, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, BEACHES, SOCCER, FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL FIELDS ANS CLEAN UP AFTER THE GEESE. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Patty A
3:43 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
There is even a better solution. All the parnoids, hyprochondriacs and nature haters, stay home. (And don't take a bath because you might drown.)
Andrew Sokol
2:36 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Geese make for good target practice.
mitt romney
2:54 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
so do inbred morons like you andy
Andrew Sokol
4:15 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Mitt, too bad you don't have any balls and use your real name.
Karen Wall
2:54 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Folks, with all due respect, trading insults and nasty remarks is doing nothing to advance the discussion here. And there are a bunch of you guilty of this.
If you have something to contribute, do so in a civil manner. Calling someone names or describing them in harsh terms because they express an opinion that differs from yours contributes nothing worthwhile to the conversation but instead increases the polarization that is tearing our country apart.
PeopleAnnoyMe
3:32 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I agree!! My children have nothing to do with this I'M REAL PISSED OFF RIGHT NOW!!!
mitt romney
2:59 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
ken way to go its good to see those like you keeping racism alive in ocean county . another dope who hates illegal aliens but hires them to mow his lawn and capt jacobson arent you the gilligan who sank that boat in the barnegat inlet last week? the southern comfort . good name for a boat now turned submarine
mitt romney
3:01 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
and " people who annoy me" wasnt that your kids we saw you washing their diapers out in the third lake?. with the amount of fertilzer and roadkill juices , anti freeze etc being washing from the roadways into the lakes its clear youre no genius letting your kids swim in there.
mitt romney
3:04 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
keith i think your first concern before the geese should be finding the teacher who taught you how to spell words like " pallute' and " fillds" only a moron like tim o connor could spell that brutally . lol
max
6:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Mitt....learn to capitalize peoples names, learn to capitalize the beginning of a sentence, and learn to put quotation marks around a word for example, "pallute" not " pallute'. Thank you.
max
7:31 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Also Mitt, learn to use punctuation.
Eric Thomas
3:13 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Let's just have more airplanes loaded with HUMAN BEINGS get their engines disabled by Canada geese. We all know that bird life outweighs human life.
Wake up, people. You won't have Sully at the controls next time a jet loses both engines.
Berkeley Lifer
3:18 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I remember in the 60's and 70's the Geese used to really migrate and permafrost would prevent trying to dig into the ground.Those days are over and the Geese are permanent residents year round.
Patty A
3:45 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Yep, just like those humans residents whose brains seem to be rotting away with too much ingestion of mercury, lead or Twinkies.
mitt romney
3:21 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
eric i never knew capt sully flew over this area. thanks for the heads up. lol
mitt romney
3:22 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
because of course we,ve had so many commercial airliners crash in toms river from bird strikes
PeopleAnnoyMe
3:30 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Hey Mitt don't you dare speak about anyone's family!!! I made a comment and stated my thoughts on this.. You have no right to speak about kids YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOUR SPEAKING TO SO LETS KEEP THAT IN MIND!! Leave families out of this!!!!! My children do not swim in those lakes but many children do sweetie..
Patty A
3:34 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Chance of dying because of a Canada goose: One in a billion.
Chance of dying in the bathtub? A lot higher.
Don't take a shower folks. In fact, don't get out of your beds in the morning.
We shoot the geese in rural areas, destroy their wetlands and then whine and moan when they show up in their last refuge -- urban parks.
What a sorry lot -- the humans, not the geese.
So Much to Say
6:48 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
DUHHHHHHHH what a STUPID comment.
Mark Wendell
6:56 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
@so much to say. Since they cant come up with anything better for the opposing view point they do that. All we have heard for over 100 comments is, then we should kill dogs since we are killing geese, the ones that brought down the plane were migratory, live in a bubble, shrink wrap your kids, now we get don't take a shower.
So Much to Say
7:08 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
@Mark Wendell
Go walk arround the parks. Disgusting. A veterinarian told me the CDC is doing a study on Goose poop possibly transmitting a strain of parvo virus. Every post from that person is ridicilious. Go back and read them all. Some of the animal right activists should put their prioritiies in a helpful place....Find a puppy mill or puppy store and go picket-it. That I can respect. Vermin, disease carrying rodents and pests need to be gassed for the safety of the public.
Mark Wendell
7:24 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
@ so much to say. I don't have to walk around any parks I am a municipal employee, I see poop all day. On my shoes, equipment, pavement, fields everywhere. As you say it's disgusting. We see a deer now and again, some ducks, maybe a snake but the goose population is at an amazing level. There are acres of soccer parks somewhere on the way to/near Jamesburg from the East and there are not tens or hundreds of geese there are thousands. I have never seen anything like it, acres and acres of geese. It's a plague. As for the studies I have seen mostly harmless ones but I am sure they have something in their poop that could cause a problem. I mean after all it's poop.
Frank Wells
2:31 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Patty A says "What a sorry lot-- the humans , not the geese." This statement tells all of us where Patty's head is...now I know what the "A" stands for. The poor child actually thinks we are concerned about dying...earth to Patty ! We are concerned about too much goose fecal matter in public areas caused by too many geese, hence we gas some of them. What is all this stuff about dying? We just don't like crap all over the place. I guess that makes us a "sorry lot" ?
Jennifer
3:54 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
wow... there are some truly heartless and outright disgusting comments on this thread. it's a shame we can't all be civil -- no matter what side of the issue we're on. i'm on the side of saving the geese. gassing them is cruel and inhumane and it does not work anyway. for those of you who don't understand that there are more humane and effective ways to manage the goose population, i suggest you do your homework before making comments here. you're only making the people on your side of the issue look insensitive and ignorant as a whole. it doesn't matter that geese "aren't the same" as people -- of course they aren't. neither are dogs and cats. yet gassing them is illegal here. why not extend that same compassion to our wildlife? the issue isn't whether or not they're the same as us -- but rather, do they SUFFER like us? and they do and they are. step up, ocean county. other places have handled the geese humanely and successfully. it's time for you to follow suit.
Comfortably Numb
4:45 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Instead of gas how about using some sort of land mines? Rope it off so no people go there. Then the crows will have less work looking for food. They won't have to wait for road kill.
max
6:00 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
But then the crow population would increase and there would be problems with that.
Mark Wendell
6:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Could not get any geese today but as a consultation prize I live captured one young and untrained ground hog by used a trash can and gate and fence and used a Rodenator in 7 dens. Most have young now so it's like a 3 for one gas and blow deal. It's humane they never know what exploded their brains out. Geese on Monday?
max
6:04 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I have an idea. How about the people protesting the killing of geese, go out themselves and chase them away? Or capture them and put them in their backyard if they want to protect them.
Mark Wendell
6:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
@max, Yeah that will happen. I love these animal protesters. We have several dog and cat shelters in Ocean County but we have no homeless shelters. The people live in the woods while stray dogs and cats get 3 squares a day. Unreal.
antonio movado
6:28 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
i say kill the geese & feed the homeless !
jackiebianchini
6:39 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I don't understand how anyone could be okay with murdering innocent wildlife in their community. Why wouldn't you want to search for an alternative to gassing them? why not demand it? Murder is never the best solution.
It's really disturbing to read that people want these beautiful creatures killed because they poop in public. Geese crapping isn't polluting! Your children have a better chance of catching a disease from their teammate than from geese droppings on the field. Wake up people! The real problem isn't the Canada Geese pooping in the community-it's people having such blatant disrespect for innocent lives.
Andrew Sokol
6:53 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
The above is a bigger pile of crap than what the geese leave.
jackiebianchini
7:25 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Andrew, elaborate...please.
jackiebianchini
7:41 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
"dirty up the environment" Haha! Dawn, unlike your Aqua Net and Marlboro cigarette butts- geese poop is not pollution. Maybe you and Andrew should have a chat over some local jerky and a sixer of Coors Light...since you two have so much in common. Lol ;)
antonio movado
8:25 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
I spent ALOT of money on my property. Ill be damned if any goose or animal ( other than deer ) will deface my property. I use a pellet rifle. 1st shot is a warning. 2nd shot is a done deal.
bob sweeney
9:03 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
and so we have hayseeds like antonio in the paper for accidentily blinding a kid while he was playing elmer fudd with the geese. now the geese are "defacing" property. who knew geese were into graffiti? and max thank god for you ., i was wondering when the first grammer police dweeb would show up. and andrew sokol if i was named after a bar like you i wouldnt be bragging about names either. oh and i have the balls to put my name on this tough guy. they sell a machine for $ 4 grand that a golf cart could pull around similiar to what they use on golf driving ranges ,and it can even handle horse manure. too bad there are so many goobers who spend more time on bar stools than figuring out that gassing them costs a fortune and shooting guns in public is dangerous. its like listening to the beverley hillbillies tell granny they got to go a hunting for the possum stew. people from other civilized areas who read these people's comments must think this area is some sort of hooterville right next to petticoat junction.
Patty A
12:30 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Thank you, Bob, for telling it like it is. I have never been to Ocean County and from most of the comments on this board, would stay away.
Tobacco Road on steroids.
bob sweeney
9:09 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
max who is more worried about quotation marks when defending his buddy who spells words like " pallute" and " feelds" . what a joke both of you are.lol
max
10:23 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
He is not my buddy first of all. Secondly, you have nerve making fun of peoples names, when your name is Bob and your last name is Sweeney. Sounds kinda fruity to me. Also, if your so intrested in saving the geese, you go buy one of those golf carts you were talking about and go out every morning and clean up some geese poop tough guy.
bob sweeney
9:10 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
yeah mark the animals in overcrowded animal shelters are living large . its like disneyland in there for about 4 days then they gas you to death. what a party
Mark Wendell
6:26 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
So gas the strays and they will not be overcrowded. See you care about dogs and cats but screw the humans. My point was they get a roof and food while people live in tarps and cardboard. Typical bunny lover attitude that doesn't get a thing or see whats important. You make fun of others with a opposing view even going as far as to flame people's jobs. That's all you got? Yeah lets call everyone with a view other than me a hee haw, that will make them feel bad. Does not bother me.
antonio movado
9:28 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
Bob, i have 5 acres. How can i hit a kid in the eye. Morons like you should grab a rake & go help with the geese feces. Maybe you should go rotate the tires on your house... Get It ?
bob sweeney
11:45 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
wow not only did max get to squeeze in some racist remarks but why waste a chance and throw in bashing the gays as well? . and to antonio living in the middle of nowhere in a few acres of swampland makes him JR ewing on dallas and everyone else of course is trailer trash . between the two of you it sounds like the dialogue from that movie called " deliverence" . yee haw. its scary living down here with the clampetts . its like max , antonio ( i,d check his green card), so much too say (but so little up there to think with), dawn (i,ll have another coors light and a pack of butts )meadows,and people who annoy me who says " do you know who youre speaking to?" no actually i dont because your name is "people who annoy me" . its scary down here in hee haw land." you buy the goose scooper for 4 grand , you cant tell us what to do we,re gonna spend 10 grand a year on unsucessful methods instead" . sheesh.
max
4:07 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Tell me Bob, where did i make a racist remark? Also, i am all for gay people and their rights, everyone should be happy. I bet your happy being married, why can't gay people be happy having a marriage too? How about you go somewhere else Bob and stop accusing people of things that aren't even true.
bob sweeney
11:50 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012
max like your buddy says youre "pallootin" this thread with your chop logic.at least now when i drive by those municipal trucks who sit and have 3 hour coffee breaks i,ll know its mark wendell taking a snooze on our dime.
t . o connor
12:33 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
what bird brains like ken and frank wells should realize is that geese eat ticks, fleas and mites. due to a 65 degree winter there is an epidemic of ticks this summer. what mark wendell should take into account as he sits in his truck staring at the geese for hours is that one of those geese might be the one who saves him from getting lyme disease when he finally does get out of his truck to do some work. but no, people are more worried about stepping in goose poop than getting a life long disease like lyme.
Ken
12:50 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
You obviously do not have children, who when playing sports or playing in parks are constantly on an obstacle course with feces from these disgusting animals. Maybe since you care about these birds more than people you should go roll around in one of these fece filled fields. Sounds like something like someone like you might actually enjoy. Than you can become closer with nature.
Frank Wells
2:56 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Hey t.o connor, Are you suggesting that we not try to control the population of geese because they might eat a deer tick? And what in the world is "a 65 degree winter"? Just for the record, there is no "epidemic of ticks" and it is not summer yet. And you have the gall to call me a bird brain? Why not try thinking before you type your next epistle.
Patty A
12:37 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Goose poop today, plush, green lawns tomorrow. Goose droppings actually act as fertilizer to grass. For the nudnicks who seem to have nothing better to do than whine about goose poop all day, they are spared the trouble of actually having to take care of a lawn. One would think they would welcome the geese.
Mark Wendell
12:56 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Patty A, Yes that's what normal people do, use feces to fertilize their property. Have their kids play sports on animal dung. If you don't live here and don't like it in Ocean County stay away and leave the running of OUR county to US the people who live here. It sounds like you know little about New Jersey's number one tourist destination anyway.
Mark Wendell
12:59 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Ken, you are right they have no children. They use dogs and cats in place of children. These are the people who you see with a dog in Target with a bow in its hair and they kiss it on the mouth and share silverware with them. But everyone else is not normal.
john s
8:44 am on Saturday, June 9, 2012
ok im not getting in this pissing match but its entertaining lol. whats the other method to remove them?
Patty A
12:44 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
#1 -- Habitat modification. Plant some trees and high shrubs. Let the grass grow. #2 Egg addling. A form of birth control for geese. #3 - Border Collies to chase geese from playing fields. #4 - Nature Sweeper to clean grass of all kinds of animal waste and other debris. These are what civilized communities do with great success -- including Central Park in NYC (though don't think they have the sweeper because we don't have that many geese). But, Ocean Country appears to be some throwback to Tobacco Road. Just give 'em their guns and beer and hope they do a D. Cheney on each other.
Mark Wendell
12:49 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@John s , Methods of deterrence are worthless. Maybe a wood dog or wolf would last a week. Once they realize that it is not going to hurt them they are on the fields again normally right next to the dog. Putting fences or trees like others mentioned is costly and can not be done on sports fields anyway. They are both dubious suggestions anyway because you can see geese on treed areas all over. They have a "fertilizer" type substance you can put out onto your fields. It makes the grass look funny from the air and makes them not want to land. Again cost and does it even work, factor in here. You can destroy/addle the eggs but you have to find them and you still have the ones already born around. The best way is to eliminate them.
Patty A
12:58 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Mark: And you think the gassing is free? USDA honchos don't do their dirty deeds for nothing. All you do is whine how this won't work and that won't work. Well, yes, they don't work if you DON'T DO them! Another poster mentioned "baby geese" eariier. That doesn't sound like any serious effort was made to addle eggs. Well, why make a serious effort for anything when you got USDA Wildlife Extermination Services standing in the shadows with their gas chambers and open hands for a paycheck? Pathetic. One thing for sure: Even from your description of geese being able to figure things out within a week, they are obviously a lot smarter than most of the ninnies posting on this board.
Mark Wendell
1:05 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I never said anything about gassing being free but I do not care. I fully support my tax dollars being used for this great purpose as do the majority of Ocean's residents. Trust me this is an area with alot of families and if it were put to a vote it would be a landslide on the yes side. The chorus of complaints and the can you do something about the geese problem is loud and clear at my job. The parents of our kids don't care what we do with them. THANK YOU Ocean County Freeholders.
Patty A
1:05 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Hey, Mark, what kind of kids are you raising there in Ocean County? Kids who are afraid of recycled grass (which is what goose droppings actually are)? What whimps and whiners in Ocean County. And then you claim this is the #1 "Tousist Attraction" in New Jersey??! WOW. Well that is the most shocking thing read on this entire thread. As said, OC comes off as Tobacco Road on steroids.
Mark Wendell
1:14 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Kids that win the little league world series. Kids that become parents who don't care what bunny lover like you think and are not afraid to get the job done. Yes the Jersey Shore is the is the biggest draw in the state, don't be jealous of our sandy beaches. Is that all you got? Do you roll around in goose poo? No didn't think so. Stay in whatever county it is that you are from and leave the business of running our county to us. You said you have no interest in Ocean County so BYE! The next goose I cook is in your honor.
Patty A
1:10 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Mark: Yes, Thank you Freeholders and USDA Wildlife Extermination Services that we don't have to get off our duffs to actually do a little work. Now, to go find our teeth. Dang, where did we leave 'em?"
Mark Wendell
1:20 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@Patty A, and let me guess your also one of the people who complain about tax dollars being thrown around all over but you would have a cash strapped school district buying a sweeper and having someone drive around on it all day. You are one of those people who complain about things on both sides I'm betting. Just to complain and nothing else. You have little knowledge of muancipal maintenance and what it takes if you think we can all run out and sweep poop.
Patty A
1:45 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Mark. Right. Kids who win ball games, but quake and run at the sight of bird droppings. Real macho picture there.
I have walked in goose poop and so have my dogs. By the time I arrive home, the bottoms of my shoes are perfectly clean as are my two dogs.
I don't care what you and your chums do at Tobacco Road.
But, considering that geese also eat insects, I hope you are overrun with mosquitos and ticks this year.
Unlike the "annoyance" of goose poop, these little critters actually bite.
Ah, can see the kids running home to Mama now. "Ma, I was BITTEN!!"
Happy goose trails at Ocean Country.
Now, go meet your pal Cheney and go out and have some beers. Hopefully, you found your teeth by now.
Mark Wendell
1:58 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I like it how you put it on the kids. There are no kids running from poop that are not in your little head. Our kids don't run from the woods, they run into the woods. BYE BYE Patty you lost your battle here and so did your little goose friends, so sad. All you can do is call us names. Found my teeth?, no I didn't have to look for them. They are in my mouth covered by my state health care plan.
So Much to Say
1:57 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/researchreports/report06.pdf
What the USDA says about these DISEASE carrying pests. GAS THEM!!!
Mark Wendell
2:02 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ so much to say. Very good info, looks like allot of people can be affected by this. I find the concern about dairy cattle to be of major interest. Looks like the Freeholders are looking out for our best interest's in this case.
Patty A
2:10 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
"DISEASE carrying pests?" Hey, but your buddy Mark cooks and eats them!
So, which is it guys? They are disease carrying pests or bountiful fare?
They really can't be both.
Then again, perhaps ingestion of such diseased treat might explain some of the comments to this board.
There is only so much abuse the brain and human body can take.
Bon appetite!
Mark Wendell
2:14 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Didn't mean I was eating them, I meant killing them.
Patty A
2:32 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Mark: The kids "run into the woods?" What about all the animal dung in the woods? Or, did you already wipe out the deer, bears and rabbits?
Mark Wendell
3:23 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Patty, you are so dumb. You are just like all the bunny lovers that say idiotic things to try to justify your BS. I can say something like you guys too! If you love the free fertilizer for your lawn why do you have a septic system? You can run it out onto your lawn! FOR FREE!! That is what you people sound like.You are comparing a goose feces covered field/parkland to a woods were you may once and again find a poo. Patty go get a life. And as for your did you kill everything in the woods yet comment, no not yet. Hunters are conservation minded people, and yes those deer are very tasty as well as the pheasant and wild turkey, do you protect all those too?
paul ciralo
3:02 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
mark so nauseating to hear about how you spend your tax dollars while its our tax dollars who pay you to sit in your town truck all day insulting those same taxpayers for hours a day in the patch.when are you retiring so we,ll know how much our tax dollars fund your rolling around in poop all day long with your kids.
paul ciralo
3:10 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
and frank wells who gives us these words of wisdom" what is a 65 degree winter?" well maybe you were off planet this winter frank but most people spent christmas in their t shirts. you also must have slept thru memorial day which most normal people consider the start of summer . and to toads like mark wendell and ken who live off our dime have the cajones to insult people saying they have no children etc its truly sad that you two had to have offspring . theres never enough new "stupid" coming from your gene pools. mark why dont you give us the name of the town you get a free paycheck from . i would love to show your bosses the videotape of you snoozing on the taxpayer's dime.
Mark Wendell
3:14 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@paul You dont know me, I give my job 100% and there is no such tape. I do more by 7 AM than you do in a week.
Mark Wendell
3:51 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Ken, right on man, you said it much more like I wanted to. They don't have anything smart to say about the problem so what do they do, attack jobs and our kids.
Ken
7:51 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@paul ciralo I think the only parents who made a mistake havig children were your parents. Who are you to call my children stupid????? To prove how stupid you are you act like you even know what I do for a living. I live off no one's dime.
Frank Wells
12:29 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
Hello Paul, Normally I would not waste time answering someone like you, but you seem a little confused
1.The average winter temp. in N.J. for 2012 was 38.2 degrees...NOT 65 degrees.
2. EVERYBODY except YOU knows summer starts on June 20...NOT "memorial day"
Finally let me add, If you are this uninformed about such basic information, you should think carefully before hurling invective against others...cut out the name calling and try a few facts.
Mark Wendell
5:21 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
@ Frank Wells, well said but if you are trying to educate Paul it will not work.
paul ciralo
3:28 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
its clear mark that you are not the brightest crayon in the box. " the next goose i cook is in your honor" . then you say youre not eating them just killing them so you must like cooking birds for no apparent reason then. we all know how slackers like you get your job. its a " friend of a friend " thing to get you in while hardworking people who dont have a family member as an " in" go to the bottom of the list. someone who is more concerned about their kid stepping in goose poop that could be washed away in ten seconds with a garden hose as opposed to that same kid getting lyme disease or west nile because you,ve " cooked" all the birds that eat them and their larvae is too stupid to have kids. what town do you work in i,m more than willing to lose a day's pay just to videotape your day of leisure reading the paper, taking naps etc all on our dime . no wonder our small towns are going broke. you said it best " by 7 am i,ve done more work than you do all week" . makes sense since you start work at 7 am that youre also finished at the same time.
Mark Wendell
3:47 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Paul. You don't know me or how I work. Go make your accusations somewhere else. I have zero to hide and very good work reviews by bosses and peer's. I sleep very well at night I was raised right. I guess you never heard the "You re goose is cooked" phrase. So I guess that means everyone who says that you think is cooking goose for food. I did however have it before, it is a bit greasy just like duck.
paul ciralo
3:37 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
mark wendall what a brilliant comment you made about killing baby groundhogs. the next time i see bill murray in caddyshack i,ll know how to picture you. lol
Mark Wendell
3:41 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I kill more than the babies, they are easier targets though.
paul ciralo
4:05 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
youre a joke. its sad that we taxpayers fund your kills for thrills program. if only your brother in law didnt get you a do nothing job for the town we pay for you would have ended up working the fryolater at burger king instead. how did you kill the babies? was it like caddyshack where you made little clay animals with sticks of tnt in them? lol
Mark Wendell
4:15 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I got my job through The A P Press you know nothing. I have been working my butt off since I was 12 years old and no never in fast food. As for how I did it, type "rodenator" into Youtube and cry your eyes out little bunny lover. But if you don't want to do that I have two tanks, an oxygen and propane and a welders hose setup. I pump 90% OX 10% propane into the hole by inserting a 5-7 foot hard metal pipe into it with what looks like a flame arestor on the end. I pump the gas in and there is a button on a control panel that operates a spark at the end of the pipes and BOOM! Humanely killed gopher. The concussive force scrambles there little brains and blows the den up 10 to 20 feet into the air and collapses it so new ones cant move in.
Mark Wendell
4:22 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
And as for your "sad the taxpayers fund my thrill to kill" comment I use this to protect the things the taxpayers own and demand to be protected.
paul ciralo
4:18 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
and max another mental midget who had one racist comment deleted by the patch already and then tells a guy that his last name sweeney " sounds like a fruity name to me" . youre too dopey to even know when you insult people saying their name sounds gay. why dont you and mark wendell go on vacation together . oh i forgot mark is already on vacation every day and still our property taxes continue to rise to feed this load and his family. max shouldnt you be trolling the internet looking for punctuation mistakes instead of ignoring your buddy's spelling of " palloot" instead of pollute? sounds like something an 80 yr old nun would do or someone who is a little " fruity" .
max
4:40 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Can someone please tell me what my racist remark was because i don't ever remember writing one. You and Bob should go on vacation as well. Oh i forgot you pay to high proprety taxes to do that. Now you're no better calling me "fruity." Also, i support gay marriage because they deserve to be happy too.
paul ciralo
4:31 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
mark wendall we all know how you got your job and it wasnt from looking through the classifieds. cant count how many times i heard that line from a town worker only to find out his wife is related to that guy or this guy who runs the town. yes you have your teeth being paid for us taxpayers too in your free state health care plan as well. reading your groundhog killing adventures now sounds exactly like caddyshack. tell me do you reach orgasm when you watch kitten torture videos on you tube.? its scary knowing that there are unstable people like you out in our public parks.can only imagine how many accidental fires you started putting a flamethrower into public areas. here in nj we have a drought alert. people are being warned not even to toss a lit butt out their car window to prevent fires and we have a town paid hayseed using his own flamethrower invention in public areas with dry tinder everywhere. its ok mark you dont have to tell us what town you work in we,ll just keep an eye in the papers for you when you burn some innocent family to death in their homes as they sleep.
Mark Wendell
4:40 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Your so dumb Paul, who said anything about a flame thrower? See there they go folks into the wild blue yonder. Talking about a drought alert and flamethrowers. Anything to force their own opinions is fair game. Whether it be about the jobs people do or how they got them, anything to change the subject. now Paul is spouting I run around with a flamethrower and I am going to kill a family. Nice Paul, how will you disparage the hard working people who take care of the things you use everyday next?
t o connor
4:38 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
i agree with you paul. right now there is a high danger of wildfires in nj and we have some buffoon like mark who gets his jollies off by sticking flamethrowers into holes. the problem is nepotism in small towns. relatives get jobs over a qualified person every day of the week and we end up paying the price in tax dollars and property damage because they hire fools like these who get their teeth fixed for free while we struggle to pay bills.including dental bills for our families.
Patty A
4:40 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Mark: WOW, such a HERO!! Blasting those little baby gophers out of a hole! So BRAVE "protecting" the people from these DEADLY menaces!
Well, Mark at least we know now how you get your jollies in life.
Blasting the brains out of baby animals and posting endless drivel on an article comment board.
Quite tragic when one really thinks about it -- worthy of a Tolstoy novel.
t o connor
4:41 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
i,m going to make a few calls to find out where this moron mark works and let them know how he is putting the residents of that town in danger. i,m sure the fire chief of that town will want to have a few words with him too.
Patty A
4:47 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
While you're at it, Conner, can you check how someone like Mark can go around "killing geese" when it is not hunting season? Whether he respects it or not, geese are afforded some protections under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Tigger happy goose shooters have been prosecuted in other towns when killing geese in parks and out of season. Maybe Mark needs some education on actual law. Or, maybe Oceanside is really some renegade town that has no respect for law or seemingly anything else. It sure isn't looking very civilized from this side of the river.
t o connor
4:43 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
its only a matter of time before his " boom" device hurts a kid or starts a property fire.
Mark Wendell
8:42 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Yes you're right because I would do this with kids standing next to it.
t o connor
4:51 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
patty i think the fire chiefs and cops would like to know what this genius who says " i dont have a flamethrower" but then proudly admits he pumps 90% oxygen and 10% propane gas into a hole and ignites it. its only a matter of time before we read about this boob in the newspaper. this is the problem with our small towns they hire unqualified idiots who scoff at drought alerts while pumping fire into underground dry tinder areas.
Mark Wendell
8:44 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
go educate yourself and find out about the device. But I know you will not because the truth hurts bunny lovers.
t o connor
4:56 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
" you are so dumb paul who said anything about a flamethrower?' " i just pump a very flammable gas fed by almost pure oxygen with a welder's hose into dry woodlands. he must be the municipal worker of the year when they hand him the "alfred e newman what me worry?" award . like i said i know a few people i will ask around to find who his bosses and the proper authorities are in his town and get them to stop him before he kills some innocent residents.
Mark Wendell
8:40 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ t o Conner, Number one the government that employs me bought this for me to use at their request. Why would it be used in woodlands were if they live it does not matter to me. This is a legal device, just because you don't like it doesn't matter. Also like I said there is no flame thrown, and its what? UNDERGROUND. Kinda hard to start a fire were their is no oxygen but maybe you did not complete HS so I will let you know, just encase.
t o connor
4:59 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
i hope paul videotapes him. between the sleeping on the job and endangering the public with home made flamethrowers we should get him out of that taxpayer funded job hopefully soon even if his brother in law speaks in his defense.
ted mc cormack
5:18 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
patty did you say he "works" in oceanside? he should be easy to look up
Mark Wendell
8:34 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Yeah ted look up Oceanside in Ocean County, good luck with that. And even if you found me so what? What is it you would do?
Patty A
5:29 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I don't know where Mark works. Perhaps he can volunteer that with all the endless drivel. He seemed to imply that he was from OS, but not sure one can take what this clown says with any belief. Just sad to think someone like this is walking around without a leash and muzzle..
Mark Wendell
8:33 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@Patty so the stuff I say is wrong because you disagree, I don't care, we are gassing geese in this county and you don't like it. Boh Hoo. Like you said you don't live here so than I guess you effectively have no say in our governmental affairs. Once again all you can do is make remarks about people while you most likely are an childless unmarried 50 something that has 250 cats.
BeyondReality
7:15 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
I vote for doing whatever it takes to be rid of those disgusting creatures. In Vermont they have a problem with beavers. They absolutely destroy properties by rerouting streams and water sources and cause massive flooding. In Vermont, they allow you to shoot any beaver found on your property. Why cant the same thing be done in NJ? Im not saying arm every body, but everyone should be responsible for getting rid of the animals on their own. Animals arent stupid, once they start dieing somewhere they stop coming, plain and simple. If its on your property shoot it, if its on public property hire and permit someone to come shoot them. Enough of them die there believe me they wont be coming back.
Or give hunters open season on them for sport. If states have a problem with over population they allow hunters to shoot them in and out of season. Exactly what they did with overpopulated black bears and it works great. Unfortunately Geese are not great to eat but this will cut way down on numbers and give the hunters some target practice on off season.
These are disgusting foul animals that cause major property damage and leave places completely polluted. I cant tell you how many times Paul King Park had to close because of those vile things.
Habitat changes dont work because you cant plant trees in lakes and sport fields. Adding has never worked. And scaring them with dogs or whatever, they just come back when gone. Extermination is only option.
Mark Wendell
8:51 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ beyondreality, You are correct sir or madam. Beaver dens are ripped out by tractor backhoes in logging areas. When it comes to affecting business the rules are always relaxed. I once was a farm manager and New Jersey let us hunt year round for deer or other animals who might damage the income of our fields.
Mark Wendell
8:28 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Number one flame throwers are legal and even Home Depot sells one. Common use pesticide free weed control. A second use is in roofing, a third use is in blacktop repair. Number 2 I never said I was using a flamethrower the idiot Paul said that and you fools believe him. Number two it is a legal device made by a company and purchased by the government that employ's me , not homemade. (www.rodenator.com) I highly recommend this effective, humane and totally legal device. Oh! by they way the police are NOTIFIED every time it's in use so when people call about bangs they know it's us. In fact several police have WATCHED me using it and they love it.
laura gormaley
8:37 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
another nitwit with an aptly titled name wondering " why cant we just go outside and fire high powered rifles in public?" .. beyond reality i think" beyond common sense" might be a better handle for you. what do you think there arent any beavers in nj? . fish and wildlife relocates them humanely to areas that could actually use a little help. they dont go running around like the dukes of hazzard " shootin pesky critters" . beyond belief who gives us highly thought out comments like " these are disgusting creatures " and a sentence later says they are ok for eating but not great. beyond reality methinks you,ve eaten one too many lead paint chip. kids get killed every year because nitwits who want to play hunter for the day never realize their bullets can travel over 2 miles and then through the bedroom wall of some kid's room which is how that boy died last year. if hunters want practice let them go to the range instead of putting people at risk of death because these weekend warriors got tired of playing paintball.
BeyondReality
4:11 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Laura, maybe you should take some more time to read my posts. I said that you cannot eat them and that is unfortunate because than they could have open season on them to cut down on population. I also said that it is not a good idea to arm everyone but that someone licensed should be hired by the counties to start taking them out. Enough of them die and they will stop showing up. Simple. It is a fact that has been proven over and over again. And although beavers can be found in NJ this is not where they flourish, Vermont is. They are a major problem and believe me "Relocating" them doesnt work at all. It is also proven that relocating animals has an 80% death rate among other animals, animals know their territory and return to it every time unless they have a reason not to.
Like I said, give hunters open season on them year round for sport. Laura that doesnt mean they can do it in their back yard. It means that in any hunting ground in NJ they can be shot legally. This will cut down numbers big time.
And you obviously know nothing of hunting weapons. Were not talking about a high powered rile to shoot a goose, this isnt Iraq or bear hunting. You use a 12 gauge shotgun, that does not even reach half a mile. And the pellets are like rain when they land, no one can be hurt by them. Educate yourself with facts before spewing baseless opinions. Just because someone doesnt share your high opinion on vermin doesnt mean you should attack them.
Mark Wendell
4:27 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
@Beyondreality, You are correct, I think an open season at least until numbers are reduced to something visible would be great. You also talk of special areas and the State does this currently. Goose season is quite long and happens at several times in the sates 3 zones. There is 2 special extended season zones in the state one open in spring the other in the winter. Most of the winter months the season is open except for a week or so of closed days. Nov, Dec, Jan are pretty much open. It's a 15 limit with 30 on hand. Hardly enough to affect this runaway population.
Mark Wendell
4:30 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
@ beyond reality, add this to the fact that fishing and hunting is big a big money maker and helps the NJ DEP with all the license and permit fees. Stores, many small owned, and guides all do well from this industry.
laura gormaley
9:06 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
this this mark character is so clueless he has confused a blow torch for a flamethrower as far as what is illegal. with all the unmarked gas lines underground running everywhere and this guy is using explosive fireballs next to them its frightening. trust me the police have no idea what he's doing nor do they care. that cop is more than likely an in law and we all know how that works in small towns in ocean country. its all one big happy family. if you want to build something around your home that you need permission from the town to do it, with guys like mark all he has to do is a favor for the code enforcement officer and presto mark can build any monstrosity onto his house, or have the loudest parties that cops never respond to even if you call them. we all know the deal with mark and crew.
Mark Wendell
9:20 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Laura, You are the clueless one. Home Depot sells a 22,000 BTU Red Devil flame thrower that attaches to a 20 Lb propane tank. Go see for yourself or just go to the Depot's website. totally legal as is my Rodenator, but you will not look into that ether because being wrong would hurt you. You don't even know about Ocean County, Yeah Lakewood, Brick and Toms River are so tiny. You don't know me or how I work or even the laws. AGAIN the government I work for BOUGHT this for my department to use. GET A CLUE. I'm using this AT MY EMPLOYERS request.
Mark Wendell
10:58 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Red Dragon not Red Devil.
laura gormaley
9:15 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
cops down here make about $120 grand a year to sit in speed traps and pull over any car at 2 am. maybe investigate the latest house burglary with no results now we have them having a party gathered around watching mark make the neighborhood go boom. that other guy was right about caddyshack because at the end of the movie the entire place went up in a fireball because some lunatic had an obsession with a gopher. no wonder people get so upset over public unions. its a party. big bucks, no stress, free dental.
Mark Wendell
9:24 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Now the bunny lovers are attacking cops and basing their facts on a 1980's comedy move. HaHaHaHa. The facts look to be running out for them.
laura gormaley
9:47 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
you got to love the attention span on this mark wendel. first about 15 comments ago he says " who said anything about a flamethrower?" and a few comments later he is talking about home depot selling them. which by the way i suggest anyone type in " home depot red devil flamethrowers" and see what they find. red devil paint, red devil driveway sealant etc. plenty of gi joe flamethrowers on e bay though. the idea that this nut is running around town with a homemade flamethrower causing underground explosions in populated areas where every house has a gas line going to it should frighten everyone. i worked in construction where they used a propane device called a salamander which looked like a torpedo with a flame coming out the end. it was used to warm the concrete floors so they set. i think this is what this maniac is talking about. God help the people of his town. hopefully one of them will read this and see what he is doing for fun with risk towards all.
Mark Wendell
9:59 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
They changed brands, Home Depot sku # 117341 Lincoln Electric Inferno Propane Torch Kit. It's a 500,000 Btu unit bigger than the one I use for blacktop repair. Happens to be in stock at the Newark store for $49.99 if anyone is in the market.
Mark Wendell
10:06 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ Laura, no house's near bye, next..................................
laura gormaley
9:50 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
i wonder does your employer contact the gas company every time you use your underground explosive device . more than likely your employer is sitting in his office delegating things by phone. the sad thing is its we the taxpayers who are your real employer . we pay your boss's check as well as yours.
Mark Wendell
10:04 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
@ laura, We have no gas lines on our complex. We use electric and oil for heat if you must know. Also their is no gas lines running typicality through sport fields. Also you can light a fire next to a gas line, that is why the gas is contained in a pipe. There is a gas line running right into your grill,stove, furnace, did they ever blow up? Please learn before you speak.
laura gormaley
10:03 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
the irony of all of this is the other article on the lacey patch about deerhead lake and the non lthal methods that have just gone into effect have been successful and there are far fewer geese in that area. but instead we have freeholders who want to waste money on an unsuccessful inhume method and nuts like mark wendell who is no more than an overpaid kid with an m 80 looking to blow up something.
Mark Wendell
10:16 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
No Laura I'm am a good employee doing what I am asked to do using the tools they give me. But I bet you would be the first to complain if the track sunk due to old colasping gopher tunnels and your kids couldnt use the track and had all away meets, like what happened at my hometown when I was in school. Or youd be the first to sue when you stepped off a crub and into a gopher hole like what is going on at my kids school.
paul schlosser
11:14 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
i can only imagine how many water, sewer and sprinkler lines this guy has damaged with his homemade bomb device. but hey then he has some newly created work fixing them. its a win win for him and a lose lose for taxpayers.this is how these towns operate . recently i went to see my nephew play baseball . the toilets down the baseball field had been stuffed up which usually kids or ignorant people do by throwing paper towels in the toilet. this guy who had a similiar job as mark or better yet mark's boss called rotor rooter to fix it . now this happens a lot with public bathrooms in busy seasons but most towns deal with it themselves and some towns are mismanaged. clearly the boss of this mark needs to have his job looked at when he lets an employee build an explosive device that shoots fire in a high fire risk county like ocean. thats how govt works you have people who do far more harm than good and bosses who encourage it. the taxpayers get the bill and theses people file for overtime to fix the damage done.
Mark Wendell
11:23 pm on Saturday, June 9, 2012
Again Paul you show your ignorance. Homemade, NO. Bomb Device, NO. Flames, NO. anything damaged, NO. Roto Rooter called into our bathrooms, NO. employee builds device, NO. Paul smart , NO. again Paul www.rodenator.com or you tube Rodenator. Notice the start of the name in caps? It's because it's a brand name on a legally sold safe and humane device. Too bad you don't like gopher's getting killed but it's going on and there is nothing you can do about it. Just like the geese, the taxpayers demand a solution to the problem and some people have a set to get the job done.
paul schlosser
12:21 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
no bomb device? people read the comments mark made earlier on this thread " i pump 90% ox 10% propane into a hole using a 5-7 ft hard metal pipe. i pump in the propane gas and there is a control panel that operates a spark and then BOOM ! " . yeah mark nothing explosive about that at all. and your even more dopey comment " theres no oxygen its underground" after you just stated you pump 90% oxygen into the ground . sewer systems and septic tanks contain methane its only a matter of time before you kill someone. listen you moron the area is bone dry and there is a high risk of starting fires . do us all a favor and just mow the grass like youre supposed to. dont get creative because our tax dollars go to fix the damage you cause.
Mark Wendell
12:37 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
paul you are ignorant. You need to attend a science class. Don't you think the oxy is all consumed, or did you even graduate? Did you even bother to look at the device? No you didn't. Also it's the dose that makes the poison as they say. You talk like it's a nuclear device. Let me clue you in on something also because you are so dumb, There are no septic tanks or sewer lines on sports fields. Also you idiot I'm doing what my employer says I am to do. You don't like it so you just start BS about people. And by the way we have had several big storms come through so your bone dry comment just makes you look like a bone head. Go get a life.
Rosehilldied
12:22 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
One word. Scarecrow. That is all. Glad i could solve your problem tuckertown
paul schlosser
12:24 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
rpg rocket propelled grenade launchers are legal too but thats no reason for people to be using them in public parks either
Mark Wendell
12:38 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
yeah they are legal, your an idiot.
Mark Wendell
12:39 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Hey I just killed a fly, upset Paul?
Patty A
10:07 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Gassing programs don't come cheap. Ocean County residents, please read this Op Ed running today which mentions the big bucks OC is dishing out to have USDA come in and gas your geese: http://blog.al.com/birmingham-news-commentary/2012/06/viewpoints_geese_roundups_arou.html
Mark Wendell
11:06 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Ocean County residents support this. Please stick to the matters in your own county. The 'about a dozen protesters' from the silly GoosewatchNJ will not deter the thousands whom asked for this.
Patty A
11:11 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Who are the "thousands" of OC residents clamoring for gassing of the geese, Mark? You and your few hunting buddies on an article comment board? Sorry, but I didn't count "thousands" in that pitiful number of zealots, one of whom, delights in blowing up baby gophers.
Mark Wendell
11:12 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
To supporters of the program. I have been going around talking to sport parents getting them to e-mail the Freeholder's thanking them for the program. It will be real easy to light up there e-mail over in Toms River. Just under 12 people showed up to protest. One quarter of one town's Little League, High School or Pop Warner program will look like a massive support compared to their effort. I also talked to the athletic director at my kids HS he was thrilled about the program. They can be a big help, talk to yours.
Uncle Moe
11:30 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
You know basic human responsibility has gone to crap when we'd rather savagely kill wildlife than sort out the issues arising from our use of THEIR land. Smh. Pathetic that all we can think of to manage the geese is murder when many less cruel options are out there
tom messina
1:43 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
i,ve lived in toms river for 30 years and havent met anyone in favor of what those like mark wendell want to do.the idea that parents even let him near their kids is scary enough. he sounds obsessed with killing animals. studies show that in childhood victims of incest or bullying are the first ones to get pleasure out of killing things. ted bundy and dahmer started out the same way too. reading his comments on here it appears he may have been a kid who was ignored by his parents while the kids at school dunked his head in the toilet daily. i think the real issue freeholders should be aware of is that this nut is taking flamethrowing devices into the woods and building underground bombs to get his rocks off while we pay his salary. i have more than a few neighbors who would love to have a chat with his boss about that.
Mark Wendell
1:49 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
@ Tom, Zero of what you said it true, so go scratch.
Mark Wendell
1:52 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
flamethrowers, NO. Making bombs, NO. doing what is asked of my by my bosses, YES.
tom messina
1:48 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
this is how thick mark is, after months of drought it rained for a few hours and this lump thinks that was enough to solve the danger of wildfires . further proof people like wendell get their jobs through favors of a relative or friend of a friend . this is why scott walker convinced people to vote against the public employees union. the fact that this turd in the punchbowl can spend all day insulting the very people who put food on his family's table is sickening. fire him and keep him away from the kids.
Mark Wendell
5:18 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
I would argue with you here Tom but I have to go coach my little league team we are in the playoffs.
bob simmons
3:03 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
here in lacey as even the article on deerhead lake shows the non lethal methods are working but instead we have country bumpkins like mark here making over $100 grand a year blowing up things and setting fires because he is bored . his moronic boss who didnt get the memo that this area is at high risk for wildfires should get canned too. mark none of it is true? look up the history of any serial killer, wife beater or kid beater. they all started out killing animals for pleasure. youre a sick puppy and the idea they let you frighten kids with your nonsense is grounds for termination on any job but in small towns this is the no matter how bad of a job you do someone always has your back.
Patty A
3:13 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Excellent comment, Bob. If Mark is an example of the kinds of people who are managing area parks, then we all need be concerned. That someone gets their jollies when blowing up baby gophers out of the ground, is troublesome to say the least. One suspects this is probably true of some of those working for USDA Wildlife Services whose "jobs" are to round up geese and stuff them into mobile gas chambers where the animals can struggle for up to a hour before dying. ("Thumping, climbing over each other, flapping wings.") Seems there are too many sick puppies running the show and people need to demand to take their parks back from the loonies.
Mark Wendell
3:54 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
@ PATTY, Don't forget all gophers not just the babies. And this is what normal people demand. When their property, schools or parkland are being damaged they want action. There are other mentioned of gopher control I use depending on location and conditions, flooding via fire hose and carbon dioxide cartridges sold at Lowe's, Home Depot or Agway. Agway has to good USDA ones. Sorry you don't like it but it's to bad, these birds and animals sometimes must be controlled to prevent damage. Did you even see a gopher that was cornered? They are aggressive, chatter their teeth and growl, now think of a kindergarten class running into their small fenced playground and they get in between the hole and the gopher. Get the point? Probably not.
bob simmons
3:07 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
everyone read what mark has said on here about where to buy flamethrowers and things he likes to make go " boom" . then he says " no flamethrowers, no bombs" . this bozo cant even remember what he said yesterday. this guy shouldnt be allowed to operate a lawnmower unsupervised never mind throwing oxygen fed flames into dry areas .
Mark Wendell
3:45 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
@Bob did you go and check out what the Rodenator is? No you did not and you will not because seeing the truth would smash you narrow minded point to smithereens. Still talking about a mystery drought and flames. THIS IS BEING USED ON IRRIGATED FIELDS NOT THE WOODS YOU BOZO.
Mark Wendell
3:43 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Your all idiots who make up absurd lies to try to prove your idiotic point and that's just what people who have little to no facts do. Someone called my Rodenator a flamethrower, wrong. Then someone called "flamethrowers" dangerous, wrong. I pointed out they were even sold in Home Depot. When I was told no, I went to Home Depot's site and even gave the SKU number. Then someone said I'm running through neighborhoods with said non exsistant flamethrower. The idiots than take to making fun of people's jobs and even saying how I obtined my job and the fact that I make over $100,000 even though thats absurd and they dont know me. They even went as far as to say I take a 3 hour coffee break not even nowing that not only do I take 1 coffee break I skip lunh and the second break to get my job done. Someone stated I get my jollies killing animals, also wrong. That I I'm in the woods to set it on fire, why would I care about animals in the woods, it's were I want them! They even go and make fun of Ocean County residents and people who hunt. Hunters are very concerned about wildlife management and conservation. Then to top it all off they say it will blow up sewers gas lines and water lines, all false and absurd. Esp since this is being used on fields. They talk about tax $'s to support their point but don't care about the damage being brought upon taxpayer owned land and facilities. They say the USDA charges for this but so would other methods they act like their point would be free
Patty A
3:53 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
LOL, Mark. "Thou doth protest too much."
Mark Wendell
3:56 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
And I can see Patty doesn't read to much...
cindy scully
1:24 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
mark you hayseed just because they might sell flamethrowers in home depot doesnt make them not dangerous they sell chainsaws there too. dick's sporting goods sells rifles and whether its chainsaws, flamethrowers or guns in the hands of a juvenile mind like yours its a dangerous thing. now the gophers are attack gophers who attack kids.? you truly are bill murray from caddyshack. lol . why dont you show the kids the dead bloody baby gophers you get your rocks off killing.? i can only imagine the horror on their little faces as they grab their parent's leg because the scary man with the municipal uniform is grinning over the death he does for fun. those kids would be scarred for life and not by a gopher but actually a goober instead.
Mark Wendell
5:12 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
@ Cindy scully, since you don't read, just like the others, so I'll say it again, NO KIDS, NO BODIES, NO BLOOD they are in the hole all ready buried because as I stated it collapses the hole, and I never said they WERE attacking kids, I said that they, as well as any wild animal, take a very aggressive posture when cornered. That COULD result in a problem for the kids. But you guys will take ANYTHING and TWIST it into something that benefits your narrow cause. Including name calling, like a 5 year old does. Also ANY of those tools you mentioned are totally safe when used the correct way. I have been using a chainsaw since I was 13 with no problems and that is because I am a professorial.
cindy scully
1:26 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
yes t o connor it sounds like he works in toms river. hope it works out
cindy scully
1:33 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
yes shannon o rourke mark is the same guy who was afraid of you when he spread lies all over the patch about your brother. he sounds like he likes to talk but is too afraid to back it up
Mrgrumpass
6:47 am on Monday, June 11, 2012
It would be wonderful if all of the flying rat lovers here would have as much fervor on subjects like education, budgets, infrastructure, etc. The county and towns and the country would be a much better place!
Mark Wendell
5:02 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank Wells
5:24 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
After reading all of this blog, my conclusion is Patty A and Paul should enroll in charm school together....Is it even remotely possible that the Freeholders have the best interest of the citizens in mind when they authorize eliminating these geese? Is everyone who disagrees with you two a goober,hayseed, or Tobacco Road on steroids? When one has no way to refute a statement, it's easier to resort to name calling...but it's not very convincing. Wise up you two.
Mark Wendell
6:40 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
well said Frank, They drive one nuts and I have called names back, but after getting it from them every witch way it's hard not to. Notice how EVERYTHING was turned around one way or another? From going after unions, cops, gov workers. To calling Ocean County residents, hayseeds and goobers, The county itself Tobacco Road. To making up lies and saying I'm running amok through neighborhoods with flame throwers and scaring and putting in danger children. They said I was making bombs and showing bloody bodies to kids that were scarred for life. Yeah, the same kids that just finished playing a shoot to kill video game. I bet these are the same wack jobs that show aborted babies to passers by on RT 37, but anything to get their point across is OK even if it's lying about people, threatening to find them, and video tapping them on their jobs. One guy wants to call my employer and tell them I have been using the tool they gave me to use for a job they want done! Thanks for the good review!
lisa klein
11:20 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
this from frank wells who spent all weekend defending a capt who didnt know how to navigate barnegat inlet and put a 38 ft boat at the bottom of it pissing diesel into the bay. now frankie wants to kill geese. what is it with you and your hatred of the enviorment frank were you beaten up as a boy scout or something.? mr lumpass pay attention this article isnt about the schools or infrastructure . we have a president who wants to fix our infrastructure and was called a socialist for it . mark wendell is the typical example of how people who would normally be screened for a job gets that job any way due to nepotism. the non lethal methods have worked in lacey but in toms river they didnt get the memo and would rather waste twice as much money on a way that was proven a failure over and over again all over nj. p.s anyone who spells the word "which" as ' witch" is too stupid to operate any kind of machinery. see what i mean about screening them?
A Resident
11:53 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
Non lethal methods have not worked up here in Point. They've been trying them for years and the goose population here is increasing, not decreasing. After years of failure...should they continue the non-working methods or is it time to try another?
Frank Wells
1:18 am on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Miss Klein you are mistaken.I have never commented on any boat story. Where does this accusation come from? You need to go back and reread what ever story you THINK I defended...pretty sure you will realize your error and offer me an apology. As for the rest of your comments, let me be kind and say you need to take a deep breath, get all those "thoughts" together and then...take a nice nap. Geeez!
Mark Wendell
9:53 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
say whatever you want Lisa, who cares. If you are so narrow minded to not hire some one by the spelling of one word you are just a .......... You don't know me, you don't know how hard I work and you most certainly don't know how I got my job.
lisa klein
11:29 pm on Monday, June 11, 2012
i think your boss should look for a new job too for allowing you to play at being" the flamethrower guy "in a drought area that has a high risk of wildfire. someone should send the memo to mark that this area is the pine barrens and every so often especially in dry conditions in days past thousands of acres have burned and people have lost their homes and possessions theyve had all of their lives. the last thing they want to read about is a guy who can barely spell throwing flames into the pine barrens
Mark Wendell
9:29 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
I guess Lisa doesn't listen either so let me once again say it THERE IS NO FLAMETHOWER and even if there was I am not in a woods of any kind. I work on daily irrigated fields. What is it that you idiots don't understand. NO WOODS, NO FLAMETHOWER. You are like the rest, you don't like what I have to do so you make fun and say lies and than add something about spelling. When you don't know me, how I got my job, or listen to what others say. So you read the narrow minded comments made by Paul and Patty and chose to listen to that and nothing else because they are bunny lovers like you. I love the woods, go hiking, fishing, hunting but because I have to do my job and you don't like it you lie about me and say I can barely spell. No one cares the county is doing it and they will continue even though Goosewatch's "under a dozen people" showed up. LOSER.
karen hastings
12:29 am on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
a resident who told you they havent worked? are you in touch with the people running the non lethal program or are you merely making an observation instead of fact because you saw a lot of geese on the way home. i,ve lived in the point for decades and i see the numbers decreasing from the less expensive non lethal way.
A Resident
12:05 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Yes, Karen...I have talked with the people involved. Are you aware of how many groups have been involved? The people that started the lights in the lakes, you know the ones that sank at first, admit they are marginal at best. The company that supplied the fake dogs at the Antrim fields...the ones that the geese now sit on. A resident in town, who works for a non-lethal geese removal company, and admits the problem is not getting better. The fabulous town run geese patrol (residents walking their dogs on the fields chasing geese), and the wonderful suggestion of planting trees and bushes...in the middle of the athletic fields.
I don't know where you live...but I can guess its not near the school fields and it's not near either of the lakes.
Mark Wendell
9:46 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Karen I have used non lethal methods for goose, and gopher problems, both are highly ineffective and not cost effective. All other animal "problems" I use non lethal methods for and that includes mice since I can not use snap traps were they can come in contact with people. The gophers are very very trap shy. It takes way to much time and the cost is easily triple than using the Rondenator. Mostly because it is labor intensive. Traps have to be checked often and since they are trap shy the live capture rate is low than you need to drive it away and let it go and than reset the trap. Another problem I have had is that people have let them out of the trap and that is not helping and part of what caused the lethal method to be used. Geese are another problem all together because dog, wolfs, egg addling just don't work because they fly in and fly out. I have the dogs, once they see no danger they are right next to the dogs. And again people effect my dog use because anytime someone uses the fields they remove them and throw into a pile were they stay. Birds are though to control because of that ability just to come and go. I have controlled turkey buzzards by making their favorite spots not landable and removed a few dead trees they used.
Mark Wendell
9:50 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
@ Karen, also the geese patrol people that use the dogs are very expensive. Also they fly away when the dog cases them but they can fly back in as soon as the guy leaves. We have people that run there dogs and they come right back so I see it all the time.
Patty A
12:12 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Some of the most prestigious and famous fields are in Central Park, New York City. (Ever heard of the Great Lawn or Sheep's Meadow?). And yet, Central Park has geese. Although geese have been rounded up and slaughtered from parks all over NYC, they have never been killed from Central Park. Why? Because the park has been modifying habitat for years and employing goose harassment when needed. They have also done some egg addling in the past. One wonders if a world famous park can keep its goose population in check through non-lethal means what the hell is wrong with this whining community in New Jersey?
Frank Wells
4:04 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Welcome back Patty A, You neglect to mention the problems which Central Park now suffers because of that very policy toward geese..."excess droppings leave large areas of landscape unavailable for public use and recreation...the heavy grazing around Harlem Meer is increasing erosion and fouling the waters.The high nitrogen content in the droppings is altering the water chemistry, producing vast amounts of algae that rob water of oxygen killing fish and other wildlife."....These are some of the concerns that prompted the federal government to take remedial action in New Jersey before things get any worse there. The goal is to reach a balanced number of geese which the local areas can support without the attendant problems created by the current excessive population...a VERY difficult thing to get agreement on, but a worthwhile effort none the less....reduction is the answer , not elimination.
Patty A
4:45 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
What is your source of information, Frank, for the statements you make regarding Harlem Meer in Central Park? If the Meer has all these problems, it is not because of geese. Was there last night and there are no geese at the Meer. In fact, there hasn't been a significant number of geese at the Meer since last February -- and those were migratory geese who left with the first 45 degree day.
Mark Wendell
9:33 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Yes Frank, exactly right. When I was a kid and my father took us to look at the ducks in the duck pond there were 50 mallards and 2 geese. They used to be the ones you looked for because there was so few. Now it's 2 mallards and 1,000 geese in a smelly olive green water. They have lived off humans and our growing number of sports fields and are thriving and increasing in numbers by the day because of humans. It's now the humans job to control that.
Berkeley Lifer
10:08 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
A Monmouth County man was arrested and charged with animal cruelty after allegedly running over two geese and two goslings with his SUV, according to a report on APP.com.
Gene Risin, 48, of Marlboro purposely plowed into the waterfowl along Texas Road in the township just after 2:30 p.m. Sunday, police said.Maybe this guy should be hired to deal with the Geese?Maybe get this guy a Steam roller=problem solved...
Mark Wendell
10:48 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
@ berkleylifer, I'm guessing this was just blatant and not an accident. Driving into my neighborhood there are geese crossing the road all the time near a bridge on a narrow road that is in a big turn. Sometimes you don't see them until the last minute. If it was a choice for me to hit them or hit a car, bike, person, pole or a kid, sorry I'm picking the geese.
Berkeley Lifer
11:21 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
@Mark Wendell i agree,i was just adding a little humor to this ongoing thread.And i agree with you about controlling the population of Geese.
Mark Wendell
11:47 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
No problem, some humor is good at this point, have a good one!
Patty A
10:30 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Mark, I am betting you would plow down the geese crossing the road if there wasn't a person, bike or kid within 500 miles. Its apparent this is how you get your jollies in life. Sad and pathetic.
sam cohen
8:38 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
theres nothing funny about what youre doing mark wendell . does fish and wildlife know what youre doing? now you are deciding if turkey buzzards are neccessary . where did you attend courses on balancing wildlife populations.? nothing worse than a self appointed expert like frank wells who looks up a map of central park and creates imaginary problems in randomn areas. i work on 55 th and madison and spend many a day having lunch in the park. i see a few geese a few ducks. the level of fertilizer used by the parks dept is causing the algae growth and diminished oxygen levels not a few geese.addling the eggs works because it fools the geese into thinking the egg is still alive so they stay in the next instead of leaving it and mating again. problem is we have " experts" like frank wells and mark wendell who know just enough to be dangerous. they say breaking the eggs is the better way even if its been proven useless. this is the first time i,ve ever heard of geese being unafraid of dogs but like i said those like mark and nitwits like antonio movado who hopefully gets busted for animal cruelty in his enjoyment of injuring and killing animals. i think a little one on one time with an ocean county inmate will have antonio ending up being passed around the jail like a joint at a grateful dead concert.
A Resident
8:54 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
"this is the first time i,ve ever heard of geese being unafraid of dogs " - well then Mr. Cohen, maybe you aren't as educated on the subject as you should be. Quite possible the experts do know more than you.
Patty A
10:40 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Well said, Sam. Love how Frank Wells talks about all the problems at Harlem Meer attributed to geese when there's barely been a goose there for the past three months.
A few years ago, there were many geese at Harlem Meer. But, they certainly didn't "destroy" anything.
In fact, those areas where the geese used to graze are among some of the lushest, greenest grass in Central Park -- and that's without the use of chemicals and fertilizer.
If there is any pollution at Harlem Meer we might look to all the junk and debris (plastic bags, bottles and discarded fishing lines) that end up in the water.
Harlem Meer is the most popular site in Central Park for fishermen -- many of whom are small kids who don't know how to get a fish off a hook. Too many dead and dying fish thrown back in water.
But, hey, lets blame any problems on the non-existant geese!
Mark Wendell
6:20 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
So you want 20-30 turkey buzzards pooing on you kids soccer goals and swing sets. Again,I did something that in no way hurt them and you still criticize. You bunny lovers will never be happy. Why don't you walk to the woods edge and strip your clothes off and go live with the animals you love so so so much. Fish and Wildlife? Call them up and ask if it is illegal to control Turkey Buzzards without harming a feather, in fact tell them I saved more than a few since they were getting untangled in the soccer nets and getting killed about the rate of one every two weeks. And the answer to your other question is COOK Collage, and trained under a township wildlife control officer with years experience in working with animals.
sam cohen
9:13 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
a resident an example of the kind of trump colored people who build a house on the lake and then complain the wildlife he landed on is a problem so he goes around like mark wendell putting up snare traps that injure pets, kids and wildlife. a resident just pull the boat out of your dock and be thankful for what you,ve got instead of trying to infringe on your neighbors.yes a resident i,m sure if a toy yorkshire terrier would face a goose the much larger goose might win out but we,re talking about normal sized dogs here not your limited scenario.
A Resident
10:04 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Sorry, don't have a house on the lake nor do I own a boat. I do walk a lot though, so I do see what is near the lake and fields. Normal sized dogs....I've watched German Shepards and collies go after the geese. The geese fly to the other side of the field. Soon as the dogs leave, the geese spread out all over the field.
I guess you could say those geese were scared....at least enough to fly a hundred feet away....but not so scared they did not return a few minutes later.
Maybe you have the time and dogs to stand watch and chase the geese for all of the daylight hours 7 days a week......we'll thank you for the help. I have nothing against geese, just don't want them where they did not use to be and have since moved to. Ya, the geese were not originals from here...they migrated and stayed.
Opposite of someone building a house in the goose area....
Berkeley Lifer
4:39 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Here is a nice tidbit.A punt gun is a type of extremely large shotgun used in the 19th and early 20th centuries for shooting large numbers of waterfowl for commercial harvesting operations and private sport. Punt guns were usually custom-designed and so varied widely, but could have bore diameters exceeding 2 inches (51 mm) and fire over a pound (≈ 0.45 kg) of shot at a time.[1] A single shot could kill over 50 waterfowl resting on the water's surface. They were too big to hold and the recoil so large that they were mounted directly on the punts used for hunting, hence their name. Hunters would maneuver their punts quietly into line and range of the flock using poles or oars to avoid startling them. Generally the gun was fixed to the punt; thus the hunter would maneuver the entire boat in order to aim the gun. The guns were sufficiently powerful, and the punts themselves sufficiently small, that firing the gun often propelled the punt backwards several inches or more. To improve efficiency, hunters could work in fleets of up to around ten punts.Maybe bring back this practice and there would be no more Goose problems?
Mark Wendell
6:13 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
@Berkley Lifer, I think I saw one of these on one of those pawn shows, Pawn Stars maybe? Going to look it up later.
josie miller
9:45 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
thats all we need mark wendell and berkeley lifer now using shotguns with a 50 yard radius. how long before we read about these two boneheads when they shoot a kid or break windows accidentily? . with hayseeds like these two its like being in a beverly hillbillies episode and speaking of braintrusts how long before we start reading about bodies being discovered in antonio movado's basement.? he sounds like a wannabe tony soprano.
Mark Wendell
3:47 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@ Josie,Just when just did I say that I was going to use a Punt gun?
josie miller
9:45 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
berkeley lifer what was it like the first time you skinned an " injun" . ? lol
Berkeley Lifer
9:50 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
@josie miller,hopefully when we detonate the punt guns you in the distance holhing a protest sign and get hit by shrapnel.A little friendly fire so to say?
Berkeley Lifer
9:51 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Oh yeah don't forget to mention i spelled holding wrong lol.
Berkeley Lifer
9:52 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
And mention your in the distance.
Berkeley Lifer
6:12 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
In fact i might start a donation fund to help mark get some better gear for doing away with the nuisance Goose population.
josie miller
10:20 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
now berkeley lifer is threatening to shoot people.? where is the patch violation of terms policy? its scary when they let those like berkeley lifer have guns up in the nursing home.
Berkeley Lifer
11:38 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Josie,here i thought you were a compassionate soul and you were going to rescue me from the Nursing home so we could go shoot the Punt gun together lol.....
tom gallagher
12:46 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
berkeley you are the guy we read about who they find wandering the street mumbling to himself in his bathrobe. your racist remarks on the other threads as well as you threatening to shoot people is beyond scary. maybe you and your punt gun can go look for bigfoot . after you finish your ensure shake that is. you are like the golden girls meets hee haw. lol
Frank Wells
1:12 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
OK Patty A, you got me...my source was a 2009 news report from which I quoted that information about Harlem Meer. I acknowledge using an old news story and that today the problems may not still exist. I honestly don't want to mislead anybody, so I apologize. I should not have done that.... but I still believe the population of geese must be thinned out the same way we do with deer...there are just too many in some areas of N.J. and "other" methods have failed to reduce the number enough, so we reluctantly gas some to achieve balance.
Patty A
9:15 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Well, Frank, you should not assume that everyone here doesn't know diddily squat (though it would be easy to presume such from most of the posts).
Central Park stands as a location that has successfully managed its goose population WITHOUT opening their fields to USDA (or Mark-like) thugs. That was the point.
Sure, there are times when migratory geese stay at Central Park over the winter. And they are respectfully left alone.
But, other times, such as early spring or fall, CP will use a Border Collie service to scoot geese along and they have addled eggs. These methods DO work when done consistently and responsibly.
We do have resident geese in Central Park whom thousands of people enjoy, photograph and even feed.
Thankfully, everyone is not like some of the intolerant whiners on this comment board who have done ZERO to enhance the reputation of Oceanside, NJ.
Mark Wendell
3:45 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Patty is not even smart enough to know there is no Oceanside NJ. But that's what happens when someone from New York is getting involved in Ocean Counties business. She has even said she does not want to come here. If she was never here how could she grasp the situation of the problem? She cant. Stay in NY Patty.
martin sullivan
1:32 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
there are those like frank wells who eventually realize they didnt know what they were talking about in the first place and then there are those like berkeley lifer and mark wendell who are clueless and giving answers like " my boss told me it was a good idea" who take nothing but pleasure from pain and death. hopefully they will keep mark on the lawnmower and some assisted living home will be dealing with berkeley lifer and his 19 th century guns soon enough.
Mark Wendell
3:41 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@ Martin, no I did not say that my boss told me it was a good idea, I said that my boss told me to do it. I take no pleasure in death, those are words that idiot's like you, Paul and Patty said. There are thousands of gophers surrounding the property in the woods, were they belong, and those are welcome. I have not touched those, had I took the pleasures you suggest one would think that I would go on a killing spree. Frank wasn't wrong, he should have maybe quoted the date, but he wasn't wrong. That's all Frank admitted to.
Mark Wendell
3:59 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Number one if you are successful in somehow chasing away geese, being that non-lethal methods don't work one would wonder how they did so, you are moving the problem to some place else. That's all, and that's the ultimate failure. If I take my problem away and give it to someone else than what was accomplished. Population control through gassing is the only logical and effective choice period. I would have to stand on a field 24-7 to get non-lethal to work. They are no longer afraid of anything. If I run my truck at a flock of them they divide by moving over a few feet out of the trucks way. We have thrown things at them to get them to fly away, chased them on foot, yelled, clapped, shot of "birdie Blaster's" all to no avail they just look at you. If a dog goes out after them they go from on side of the field to another or from field A to field B. They come right back. Plastic dogs, wolf's or snakes don't work at all. If so much time was spent with non lethal than people would complain about that too. Simple facts and numbers here at work.
Mark Wendell
4:03 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Oh!!! and before some one thinks that a "Birdie Blaster" is some kind of child killing nuclear powered flame throwing house destroying woods blazing napalm missile it is a non exploding "firework like" device that fires out of a plastic gun and has a whistle inside to scare the birds and get them to fly away. Commonly used at landfills to make seagulls fly away.
Patty A
4:12 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
And I suppose, Mark that you are going to claim egg addling (i.e. birth control) "doesn't work" either? How about doing some actual research on the issue?
http://www.okanagangooseplan.com/?p=195 It obviously works very well in other places. While we're at it, why don't we just let all the cats and dogs breed and then kill them in the pounds saying "Spay/neuter doesn't work!" Oh and throw out the birth control pills. Taxpayers can raise the kids.
Mark Wendell
4:31 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@Patty, is that all you people can do? Anytime someone says something the first thing out of your bunny lover mouths is why don't we do away with this or why don't we do away with that. If we kill geese why not whales? And buy the way I'm going to believe the USDA as opposed to some bent and twisted info that the human society or some other animal whack job people have put out to support there own narrow cause.
Mark Wendell
4:26 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@ Patty, no egg addling does not work. Number one you cant find enough eggs to do it to an effective rate and it does nothing to solve the current problem. Does it eliminate a few? sure but not in any great numbers. Since my, and the majority of the people who have problems, are because of fly in's it will do nothing to solve our problems. These are not lakes were they live, it's sport's field grass that they fly in to eat. I have only seen 2 chicks in the 10 years I have been dealing with this nightmare. They are not breeding on baseball fields, not in my case anyway. No egg addling doesn't work were they do not breed.
Patty A
4:35 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Jeeze, the density here is amazing. Mark, did you even READ the link that was provided on egg addling? It obviously DOES work where it actually practiced. "Too hard" you say? Coating eggs with vegetable oil is harder than doing surgery on cats and dogs? Find out what communities the geese are actually nesting and pressure them to egg addling. Man, I am starting to wonder if something is in the drinking water in Jersey -- and I don't mean goose poop!
Mark Wendell
5:03 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@ Patty, no it's you who is dense and not to smart I would think. I choose to support the county's method as that is the one that will work the best. You don't like that choice and you will do whatever it takes to support just your view point. I can find 100 things to support my case too, and you would always chose to look the other way. The USDA and the County of Ocean supports my method but you like always just call them names. You don't know the scope of the problem and addling eggs and than waiting for the goose population to thin is not going to solve the problem now, and that is what people want. You would have my $600,000 track damaged as opposed to kill even one gopher but trust me the taxpayers that paid for it and the people who use it wouldn't support you one bit. But then I was controlling just the ones that effect our property you would have everyone believe that I was running around the whole county with flamethrowers ready to burn down a families home just to support you save all the animals cause.You like most of the people who support the save all animals no matter the price are as dense as they come. 10 or 12 animal shelters in the county and not one homeless shelter, not one. Until all the homeless that want help get it I would never support giving stay's money over people. I suppose your next comment will be that most of the homeless don't want help, save your breath.
Patty A
4:41 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
The link provided was not from a "humane organization" but the goose management division of Okanaga Valley. Its a press release from this past April. Trying READING something passing prejudical and ignorant judgement: http://www.okanagangooseplan.com/?p=195
Mark Wendell
5:15 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@ Patty, yeah let me base my opinion of the whole problem on one article writen by some goose management division in some place that I never even heard of and is most likely 2,000 miles away. The Okanaga Valley is not in New Jersey so we just don't care. And just who is that advice for anyway? Homeowners that have all day to paint eggs. I'm sure your not advocating me spending the taxpayers money running around painting eggs that are not even in the area that I work at. You still have no say in what I told you about the scope of our problem because the solution to that is the one the County of Ocean is doing and you don't like. And as for your comment regarding encouraging other area's to do egg addling let me tell you how politics works since you insist on bothering other area's of the country you don't live in. In order for me to get involved in those area's one would have to live there. When I speak at my town hall, Board of education meeting, county board meeting etc. were I have a say I have to state my address so they now I live in the town or county. I do not have a say in the business of neighboring towns or counties, nor do I want to.
Berkeley Lifer
7:01 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Mark i wouldn't even bother responding to these people on this thread anymore if i were you.Perhaps if these Geese were carriers of "Bird Flu"and could infect them and their kids then they would be calling the township to get you some more Flame throwers and help to eliminate the problem.Until then my friend,rock on your doing an admirable job!
Mark Wendell
7:54 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@ Berkley Lifer, Thanks. Believe me the parents of the kids want this despite the lack of bird flu. There is not to many people who enjoy being covered in poo, those that do should seek help from a head doctor. I can guarantee you that these people here not only have no kids but are 50 somethings never married living in a house with 278 cats.
tracey hosmer
7:17 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
berkeley lifer the times you are semi coherent between naps you truly give this town a bad name . first you talk about shooting people now you think the bird flu can transmit to humans. hopefully the nurses will keep you out of the computer room and let you stick to bingo instead. antonio movado sounds like someone should check his green card at minimum . more than likely he is running some sort of meth lab up in the woods so he is a " little uptight" . mark wendell you dont enjoy death and pain and yet in between making flame devices and bird blasters you enjoy hunting as a hobby. last i checked that involves shooting animals. your whole day is filled with killing things . at work you blow up all kinds of animals and after you punch your timeclock you spend the rest of the weekend killing the things you missed at work.
Mark Wendell
7:49 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
@Tracey Another one who totally does not listen and then injects idiocy into Patch. I made NOTHING. There is no flame thrower used by me to control any type of animal. A bird blaster is a harmless flying whistle. As for spending my day killing animals it most likely ends up being less than a half a percent of my year at work. To say that I spend the rest of my time killing what I missed at work shows your lunacy and lack of class. I guess you are not responsible for the deaths of any animals since you don't squash bugs, or eat meat. As for you comment to Berkley Lifer I suggest you read the USDA's concerns in the link above regarding the possible food supply concern from dairy cattle ingesting goose poop. And regarding your comments to Antonio Movado further shows a lack of class on your part. Someone doesn't support your view and you claim they are a meth manufacturer and an illegal. Nice.
Berkeley Lifer
8:36 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Tracey you sound like a obese tub of lard who likes to spin other peoples words and pass judgement on them.Perhaps purchasing a treadmill,or joining a gym would help you garner a little self esteem.Put down the doritos and make a change!
tracey hosmer
1:32 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
berkeley lifer you silly senile old man i,m an instructor at oxygen gym. why dont you come down there and i,ll have your pacemaker smoking. lol
tracey hosmer
1:37 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
its always funny to watch bitter old people like berkeley lifer be made fools of by so many people. he then calls women fat never even knowing what they look like. only an imbecile can live to his age and still act like he's in grade school ( in berkeley lifer's case abe lincoln sat next to him in class . lol )
tracey hosmer
1:39 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
berkeley lifer and mark wendell two nitwits who think birds give humans the bird flu. lol
Mark Wendell
12:32 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
Here we go again......more lies from the bunny lover set........really all one person..........when did I say anything about the bird flu going to humans. I talked directly about concerns to the food supply via dairy cattle ingesting goose poop.
paul ciralo
12:39 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
mark youre a guy who can barely spell and now you know more than the top disease control scientists in the world. your talents are being wasted mowing lawns you should be out there inventing the cures for west nile and aids. nice to see your busy on the patch during working hours again. once again our tax dollars are going to waste.
Mark Wendell
2:49 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
@Paul, who I know is the same person as Patty A and Tracey. Spelling is that all you got? Since this has spell check a fail to see all those spelling mistakes. I never said I knew anything at all about disease control, I did however, if you cared to read the whole thing instead of arguing dumb points that don't matter because the gassing of geese is going on anyway, say that it was the USDA who said this. They do know about disease control however, Thank You. (Please check this for spelling errors and than get back to me because the world cares)
paul ciralo
12:43 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
its amazing mark is home from work everyday from work at 1 pm and still has time at work to fritter away the work hours on the patch. once again we taxpayers are bending over and taking it. when that jamaican nurse wakes up berkeley lifer today even he wont be happy about that.
Mark Wendell
2:52 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
@ Paul, It's amazing that the one time I post about this on a vacation day that you comment that it's ALWAYS at 1 PM. Please recheck my posting times and you will once again have to retract your idiotic comments. OH, wait you people don't do that.Just keep lying to prove you point, you people look soooooo smart.......... isn't there a stray dog that needs rescue somewhere?
tracey hosmer
1:54 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
i suggest mark wendell look at the other patch article on the right side of this page " june 2002 the days the pine barrens burned" before mark takes his flamethrower into a drought caused bone dry woods again to hunt his biggest enemy that gopher. it would be as funny as a wile. e. coyote and roadrunner cartoon if people werent at risk of having their homes burned to the ground.maybe when you see those people looking through the charred rubble of their homes mark you can tell them " my boss told me to do it"
Mark Wendell
2:43 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
I@ tracey, I suggest you learn to read and re check the comments I made. I know you will never answer any questions since doing so would render your points mute, anyway....... Tell me when I said I had a flamethrower to control gophers and two, when I said I was using it in the woods. You can make up all the lies you please but it just makes you look dumber by the post. And since has rained here for 2 days last week I guess your bone dry theory is shot to hell also. The leaf litter that would be the thing to catch flame, if I even had a flame, is far from dry. But since my sports fields are not the woods I guess your lies will never come true anyway. Why cant you support your bunny lover madness without flaming people, making lies, or calling sportsman names.
paul ciralo
8:30 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
wow what are the odds of it just happening to be your one vacation day mark? i should play the lottery with odds like that. people can read this thread and see you telling them exactly what flamethrower to buy and of course 2 days of rain solves the problem of a months long drought. the mayor of lacey 2 weeks ago did the reverse 911 call to all residents warning them not to have open fires etc but mark here seems to think 2 days of rain and a flamethrower will be just fine. nice " tell" on the sportsman tag. only someone who kills animals for a hobby would consider it a ' sport" . you know like volleyball only a lot bloodier.
Mark Wendell
9:18 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
@Paul, You are some kind of idiot. You are the one that can not read this thread. The talk of flamethrowers was started not only by some one else but the thing that I said about flamethrowers was that they are legal and can be bought from Home Depot. I never ever said that I use them the control animals, in fact I said the one I have was for blacktop repair. I don't care about the mayor of Lacey, I have been in the woods since I was a child and taught by my sportsman father and the US Army. I know how to use an open flame and don't have to be told by the likes of you or the mayor of Lacey. But like normal with you it is totally a mute point because I am not running around with an open flame in the woods anyway. What is it that you don't get? I think you are in a mental institution and have access to the internet in the day room.
Berkeley Lifer
12:25 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
It's not a Flamethrower!Maybe take the time to look it up before you speak? Propane Cannons
Propane cannons are popular tools in use at hundreds of airports around the country. Many farmers also have used them with some success. They operate from the gas in a standard propane tank. On a timed basis, a small amount of propane is ignited, producing a loud report that can be heard more than a mile away.
The simplest models explode every 30 seconds to 30 minutes, based on the setting. More sophisticated models use computer chips to control the detonation more randomly, on a particular schedule or by remote control. Canada geese, like many other animals, have the ability to adapt quickly to the report of propane cannons and sometimes quit responding without additional aversive conditioning.
Their effectiveness can be greatly increased if the timing of the detonations and locations of the cannons are frequently changed and when they are supplemented with other harassment techniques.
Propane cannons may not be suitable for large communities because the devices are loud and may be more of a nuisance than the geese.
Mark Wendell
10:02 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ Berkley Lifer, A good place, that is local to Ocean County, to see a bird cannon in use is in the Whitesbog part of Gov Brendan Bryne State Park on RT 530 in Pemberton. It is used in the part of the park that the State Parks leases to cranberry producers. From what I have seen they seem to be effective for small foraging birds. Ducks and geese seem unmoved by it but I don't think they are the main reason of control.
paul ciralo
8:35 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
you better believe mark wendell will be more careful in future than to be making time stamped comments during working hours again. no more 10 am and 11 am comments . just after 1 pm when he gets home from his long day.
Mark Wendell
9:28 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
@ Paul, Hey more stupid comments from the Patch dumb ***. That's all they can do folks because they have no facts and little brains. This guy making comments like this he is probably a retired person sitting at his computer in his underwear getting a pension and then saying the next group of people who have worked hard shouldn't get what he got. To bad for him I have off all next week because here I am Paul. All this on a patch article about geese. Then he follows me around on Patch like some creepy stalker making his idiotic work comments on other articles. This is a person with way to much time on his hands.
Shep Proudfoot
9:36 pm on Friday, June 15, 2012
My people were treated like these Geese and kicked off this land.
Berkeley Lifer
12:04 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Shep,i concur.check out this..http://youtu.be/_qwJE88RnRY
Berkeley Lifer
12:05 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
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Berkeley Lifer
12:07 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
http://youtu.be/_qwJE88RnRY
lamar jackson
1:46 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
way to go berkeley lifer now you bring the racist comments to this thread with your reference to " gooks" . nothing worse than a washed up member of the kkk bringing his bigoted thoughts on here. yes its no big deal but according to a racist like berkeley lifer pumping enough propane into the ground and igniting it in an explosion that can be heard a mile away which is what mark wendell is doing is no big deal while no doubt cracking water mains etc.maybe when you two boneheads end up burning down someone's house you can stand outside of it playing disco inferno. berkeley lifer that sounds like something the nazis would have got their jollies off doing back in 43. berkeley lifer who once joked for halloween he would have an obama on a noose. hopefully the hospice you will soon be in will forget to hook up your feeding tube and rid this earth of someone as vile as you.
Mark Wendell
9:49 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
No this is NOT what Mark Wendell is doing here. lamar, paul and the other names you use really needs to read here and stop making lies and spreading dumb uneducated rumors here. A bird cannon is harmless to birds and also is not worked under ground. The propane powers a small controlled internal explosion that creates a large BOOM! that scares birds to make them take off. No flames, No death.
Berkeley Lifer
11:22 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Lamont,i mean Lamar http://youtu.be/a8XsZwtmYik
lamar jackson
1:50 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
way to go mark . maybe you and berkeley lifer can get a 2 for 1 discount when you get your white hoods dry cleaned.
Mark Wendell
9:42 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ lamer jackson, Number one when have I EVER made a racist remark here, and Number two you have now idea as to my race. Once again some one makes a really dumb remark. This is the same person posting under several names anyway. Notice lamer, tracey, martin, tom, bob, paul and others use, start in all lower case including their posting names.
Berkeley Lifer
9:43 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Read the entire comment lamar, a mind is a terrible thing to waste ! all the bleeding heart liberals who rally around such things have little or no real education. ever heard of ferrill species. it is our stupidity that has ruined the natural order of things. just trying to right our own wrong.. when you have no rational answer the race card is always played. Im sure youve never uttered the term cracker in your life right ? same but different treamtment, heard it all before. maybe we should give reparations to the geese ? power to the people my Brother, word is bond to Farrakhan, say hi to the brothers at the mosque for all us white devils
Berkeley Lifer
10:03 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
lamar when did you get paroled?Did you get to exit with your prayer rug,headrag&Koran?
Project Bluebeam
10:13 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Sure Canadian geese are harmless...just ask Sully Sullenberger!
Mark Wendell
10:40 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ Project Bluebeam, many share your point including the US Government's USDA and FAA but the bunny lovers here will somehow tell you that those geese, despite the fact that they were blown through a jet engine, were migratory geese and not residents. I dont think the people on that plane would care. Since there is no difference in looks between to two and even if there was the evidence was shredded over NY I find that laughable. Strong control at the airports is a must to safe air travel according to the USDA.
Patty A
10:56 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Well, "Project" and Mark Wendell, the FACT is, we could have killed EVERY resident goose in New York State and it would NOT -- I repeat -- NOT have prevented this disfunctional plane from landing in the Hudson after hitting TWO MIGRATORY GEESE FROM CANADA. And by the way, can you explain why this particular airliner almost had to "emergency land" on the previous flight when experiencing "engine stall" that had NOTHING to do with geese?
Mark Wendell
11:25 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Now they are aviation experts to boot! AMAZING range of knowledge from the bunny lover set. SIMPLE fact as shown in the FAA report " cause of engine stall, ingestion of birds into the engine". The USDA and FAA clearly states that clearing the runways and nearby areas next to the airports of birds is paramount to safe air travel and the goose is enemy number one. Since there are far more resident geese as opposed to migratory geese eliminating all resident geese as you propose is a wonderful idea to drastically reduce the possibility of a goose plane meeting. Since migratory geese are the only natural type of goose and the resident ones are a man made problem we will be getting back to natural order.
Mark Wendell
11:41 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ Patty A, here is the explanation you requested. The plane suffered a less serve engine stall on a previous flight. They reported to the passengers they may have to make an emergency landing but they were able to restart said engine with no difficulty and resumed flight. The problem was a faulty temperature sensor that was replaced and allowed the aircraft to resume flight without delay. The NTSB's investigation into the emergency landing into the Hudson River near the USS Intrepid reveled organic material in the engine including a feather. DNA testing of the material determined it to be from a Canadian Goose. The European Aviation Safety Agency and Bureau d"Enquetes et d"Analyses pour la Securite du l"Avation Civile and Airbus agreed and assisted with the NTSB's investigation of the accident.
Mark Wendell
10:52 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Funny thing is that these goose lovers and the comments they make attacking anything and everything make me hate the geese like never before. I don't think they are good advocates of the geese at all. A good advocate would use facts and logic to prove their point's. They spew venom and hate as far as I can see to anything they see as a threat to their point. I could respect a logical and well thought point or fact but once they say save those pretty birds and you disagree you are a hayseed or cant spell, your county is a gun toting country backwoods place, hunters are evil, you take 3 hour long coffee breaks and we are going to find were you work and video you. This is unreal, all because a person, who has the right to support the Freeholders plan, does so.
Berkeley Lifer
11:35 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Mark you can NEVER appease these fowl mouthed people.And they will continue to spin any comment to their liking.If only they put this much passion into keeping an eye on their children and what they were up to maybe i would respect them more.Their to busy here posting about the poor Geese while their kids are probably raiding their medicine stashes!Rock on Mark i appreciate your dedicated work!
Mark Wendell
11:49 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ Berkeley Lifer, as you can see when Patty A was posting that dribble I was in fact doing the very thing she accused me of not doing. The NTSB report clearly debunks EVERYTHING she has said. Instead of going to the report from the 3 investigating agencies she relies on a CNN news report that proceeds the actual investigation. She than reports as to the reoccurring problem with the Airbus like she is a recall agency. Was the first incident the cause of gesse? No it was a sensor that was replaced. Was the second incident the cause of geese? YES it was and the proof was all over the inside of the engine. What she is basically trying to say here I assume is that the aircraft in question was doomed to fail regardless of the goose that brought it down that day into the Hudson. But it was clearly a goose that brought it down that day.
Patty A
11:33 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
First, Mark, you complain that the "Bunny huggers" don't use facts. But, then when actual facts and newspaper links are presented, you don't bother to read. Well, here is the report from CNN reporting that flight 1549 had suffered engine stall on previous flight and scared the passengers out of their heads. And NO, that incident had NOTHING to do with geese. This type of Airbus was prone to the problem according to other FAA reports. But, it was sent up in the air anyway that January day in 2009: http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-19/us/hudson.plane.folo_1_flight-crew-plane-airways-flight?_s=PM%3AUS Yeah, let's keep blaming the geese for our own failures and carelessness. They are, after all, a very convenient scapegoat since the geese can't vote, protest of post endless drivel on article comment boards.
Mark Wendell
11:55 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@Patty F, Yes you'd would like the whole report reprinted here? Did I mention those things?, no but the USDA mentions control of geese near airports VERY CLEARLY. And than again they mention control of geese just not in the words you are using, "killing". Many Airbus's had the temperature control problem but this one was repaired. VERY SIMPLE FACT THE PLANE SUFFERED AN ENGINE PROBLEM DUE TO GEESE. Once again you twist everything to suit your needs and avoid the easy facts.
Mark Wendell
12:03 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ Patty ......Huggers? I have used only the word lovers, further proof that you don't look at everything.
Patty A
11:47 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Hey, Mark you forget to mention that the Smithsonian Institute determined the feathers to be from migratory geese from Labrador, Canada. But, hey, who needs facts anyway? You also forget to mention that the same NTSB made a list of recommendations following the flight 1549 debacle, NONE of which involved the killings of resident Canada geese. But, hey who needs facts?
Mark Wendell
12:01 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ patty A, I believe none of that BS. Yeah they can tell it was from Labrador, maybe it was there once but they cant tell me it didn't relocate and pick up residence in NY. (although who would purposely move there?)The fact is that your little goose friends brought down that aircraft and continue to cause a treat to aircraft, from the point you are making I can see the safest thing is to eliminate all geese. Something I did not think of until you tried to support them. Good advocating there.
Patty A
11:58 am on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Hey, Mark, why don't you read the FAA's actual report on the tendency of Airbus 320 to have engine stall problems. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/246674/ Oh, and guess what? According to the lastest SEIS from USDA, Airbus 320's are also the planes most likely to collide with birds.
Mark Wendell
12:12 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ patty, still avoiding the facts here, a goose did it, your goose friends are plane murders.
Patty A
12:03 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Here is the real bottom line, Mark. Flight 1549 should NOT have been in the air that day, period. It was a deficient plane model and a nearly DISFUNCTIONAL airliner as should have been shown on the previous flight. Put another way, use a little COMMON SENSE, Mark. How many planes that collide with birds end up in rivers? ONE. Now, if we had any brains at all, we should have questioned, "WHY?"
Mark Wendell
12:17 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Here they go again folks, the plane should have been in the air, it was defective, it was prone to failure, it was blue and white and that make's geese want to fly straight into the engines. If my truck runs over any geese than I guess my defense will be that this model of Toyota 4X4 is more prone to hit geese and this model of truck has had many problems with goose avoidance.
Mark Wendell
12:19 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Yeah most of them just crash into land Patty. Maybe those deer whistle things would have worked? Plane goose whistles.
Mark Wendell
12:10 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
@ Patty F, As a huge transportation fan and one who has spent a life reading on the subject as well a an Flightaware member who gets daily reports from the world of air travel I am in fact well aware of the facts regarding the Airbus and the many problems this aircraft and it's sister 318 have had as do almost all aircraft. You still over and over and over and over avoid the facts. If someone says "the NTSB reported the plane was brought down due to a goose" you go and start blaming the aircraft's peccadilloes that not only were repaired in the case but had nothing to due with the original point. The point being was that a goose was to blame.
Mark Wendell
12:20 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Thank You County Freeholders for making air travel in the busy NY region safer.
Berkeley Lifer
12:27 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
I second that motion,thank you county freeholders and please provide more gear and help for Mark who is doing a great job!
Mark Wendell
12:34 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
I know if this was put to a county wide vote it would win by a landslide, I would welcome that move by the county. It would be whatever to 12. Oh wait those protesters are not from the county and nether is Patty A. Maybe it would be voting population to nothing.
Berkeley Lifer
4:30 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
http://youtu.be/MrXnDbOpxU4
Shep Proudfoot
12:43 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012
I believe this comment board should just be erased at this point. Patch are you seeing this? Most of these posts are in violation of your rules.
Patty A
1:23 pm on Sunday, June 17, 2012
I think all the comments should be left -- so Freeholders know exactly what mentality they are pandering to when deciding to "rid" the town of geese.
That seems to be merely the first step in what the goose haters want to "get rid of."
Kathleen Quinn
6:56 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
It seems to me that all other creations besides man are the ones who need to move somewhere else or be killed to make more room for man. Has anyone ever thought that maybe WE are the ones who are overbreeding? Perhaps we should start a human neutering program or set up gas chambers for ourselves! I bet if we were the ones next in line do die like animals do there would be no more complaning about other species who SHARE our planet with us!
SANDY PARISI
11:07 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
WHY, WHY, WHY is an article dated June 2012 being put in The Patch Jan 2013 without some type of update? Does Patch just want to use up space with old stories. Hey, I don't mind an old story if it is updated. I can't imagine the story being absolutely identical.
Mustang Sally
5:29 pm on Thursday, April 4, 2013
What happens to the gased geese's remains? Where do all the euthanized animals go? Isn't this a disastrous way to handle a problem? Death and Decay surrounding us. Find their natural predators. Or are we the predators?
anonymous
6:10 pm on Thursday, April 4, 2013
Anyone who has served and had to be gassed just to see what it was going to feel like in combat can tell you its awful I cant say I beleive in this method of extermination. Dont really know enough on subject to post what i think should be done. I do know protests though and to all that stood up for what they beleived in you have a freind in anonymous. Have a graet day keep up the good fight if you feel deep down that something is wrong no matter how many peaple say negative things about your stance on a subject.
Dont give in
Never give up
anonymous
Marcel Kay
6:09 pm on Saturday, April 27, 2013
Cooked Goose , Yummy, why gas this wonderfull and tasty Renewable Resource! We need to harvest these birds and process them and feed them to the Inmates of the prison system ! Same goes for those pesky Deer that ruin the Crops and damage all of our cars !