Oh, come on now, you know in your heart that it's the republicans who are corrupt, and that the democrats are honest as the day is long. Or should I say Bob Griffiths is correct, and we are all equally honest and equally deceived.

IS Uncle Moe short for Uncle Moron? Really??? foreign national??? you lose any credibility when you make comments like that. I do agree both parties suck, but with your birtherism I would by default go against anythign you say, even if it was the sky is blue I would have trouble believing you

I thought even the insane birther conspiracy group went away after the State of Hawaii released a copy of the Presidnets long form birth certificate.

By the way, how does health care reform destroy the middle class? The only ones who have anything to worry about are those that can afford to purchase health insurance and dont and are instead freeloading off of everyone else when they become ill. In 2006 Gov Romney referred to the individual mandate as the "personal responsibility principle."

Of COURSE Bob (purposefully) neglects to mention all the (very numerous) threats from the occupy/liberal crowd.
Bob LIKES when the govt takes control of desicions that used to be his.
He ignores the Occupy/liberal crowd threats to kill cops.
He ignores the Occupy/liberal threats to burn down banks and other financial institutions.
He ignores the Occupy/liberal rapes and assaults .
He ignores the occupy/liberal vandalism and destruction of property.
Just like a ...wait for it...liberal.

Never mind the threats. Look at the damage already done. The so-called conservatives argued that the banks should be deregulated, and then the bank managers went on a spree that plunged the whole world into an economic depression. Looks to me as though we need to give the government more power to control bank managers. I could similarly argue for controlling mining companies, drug manufacturers, etc., etc.

I seem to recall some Tea Partiers calling for armed rebellion a few years ago. Anyway, love him or hate him, Obama is a great uniter -- he has brought together a coalition of the dangerously naive, the badly misinformed, the fundamentally stupid and the downright corrupt.

Yea, like passing a constitutional amendment against abortion so weirdos like Akin and Chris Smith can tell a pregnant female how to control her life. Brave men! It seems that the republicans like to control the lives of little people and let the big business guys get away with financial mayhem (among other things.)

But Peggy I thought this rhetoric scared you?

I am surprised that the rhetoric is ok with you Peggy

@ Thomas......oh no, the liberals NEVER said anything about Reagan, Bush 1 or 2, Dan Quayle, Dick Cheney, John Mcain, Bob Dole, Sarah Palin. Never ever.

Except when they call each one of them Stupid, senile, war mongers, they say they hate women, children and minorities., hate the poor and love the rich. They called them nazis and satan and worse.

Anyone with half a brain nd an ounce of honesty, knows that it is the radical left in this country that causes most of the political hate speech and violence during protests.

That is the only reason I respond to Whacky BOB the way I do. He is blinded by his partisan democrat ideaology and his hatred of republicans.

What the hell is liberal DNA? Is that DNA that drips to the left as opposed to the right?

when Bob?

Bob, for people who identify themselves as conservatives/Republicans, they are NOT on the "wrong side" of anything they staunchly believe in.

Now there you go, that same old conservative “spin” on the New Deal and FDR, “He didn’t help America during the Great Depression”, really? Come now, everyone knows that the newest version of conservative history begins in 2008 as if nothing occurred prior to that, well for conservatives nothing “good” occurred prior to that anyway. If conservatives are right and FDR “didn’t do anything” then why did the American people elect him 4 times, 1932, 1936, 1940, and 1944? For gosh sakes after Roosevelt died the conservatives had to pass an amendment limiting the President’s term to 2 in order to prevent the conservatives from becoming extinct. As for FDR programs being successful to the future economic security of American families…where do I start, how about we list them:
The Federal Reserve
Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Fair Labor Standards Act
GI Bill
Securities and Exchange Commission
Tennessee Valley Authority
FHA
Should I go on?
Now, what programs have conservatives ever enacted that directly helped American families?

Bob, are you kidding me? The Federal Reserve is a tool for the Rothschild bankers to extract even more money out of us. We are enslaved to the debt from it, and social security and all of these entitlement are just PONZI SCHEMES. We need to get rid of the unconstitutional treason being forced on the american people by these foreign bankers! END THE FED! and INDICT BUSH AND OBAMA AS WAR CRIMINALS

Bobby,
I never said many of FDR's ideas and programs did not survive. Just that they did not lift us out of the depression. It was businesses supplying what was needed to fight a war that ended the depression.
I don't want my kids to wait 30 years for Obama's ideas to stumble into doing some good. Nor do I want a war to jump start the economy. There's got to be a better way.

@ Whacky BOB....lets see...conservative programs that helped families......hmmmm.....Try the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution, The Emancipation Proclamation, The US Marine Corps, The US Navy, The US Army, The US Air Force. The great depression should have lasted 3 years instead of 13. It wasnt a coincidence that the economic recovery started after FDR died. WW2 was the biggest factor in the recovery.FDR packed the courts with liberal socialist judges who ensured people were kept in poverty and had to vote for the guy giving them their food.FR did some good and gave some people the oppertunity to work for a government paycheck. I would rather have them work for a paycheck them have them sit home and collect Lyndon Johnsons free handouts for doing nothing. The liberal idea of a successful president is one who gives away the most free stuff. That is the problem

OK Bob,
Now you entered my world. Welfare reform, homelessness, social programs [like TANF, GA, food stamps, etc.]. My opinions on these issues are based on first hand knowledge. Not on what I read or hear from sources that slant towards my way of thinking, ... like some people here.
I am a social worker. Worked in the streets for over 32 years. I know all the programs that were supposed to help people. Some call them safety nets. I worked for DYFS for many years. Then with young mothers on welfare and then the homeless population. I've had many THOUSANDS of cases over the past 32 years.
Few people who do not work in the system have any idea how much waste, fraud and abuse there is with all the social programs. It is staggering. I'm sure some people lost some benefits with reform. But it didn't put a dent in the fraud and abuse by clients. That's just the money angle. The culture it has fostered is what most saddens me. Generations who's goal is to get on a long term program like SSI and then long term housing help like public housing or a Section 8 apartment. Throw in some food stamps and Medicaid and they have reached their American dream. They don't have to worry. There will always be politicians looking for their votes and people like you who will say "we don't do enough". And "if it wasn't for the greedy you wouldn't be in this terrible situation."
I can go on for pages. Perhaps I will write a blog here someday about welfare. Look for it.

Ok, jersey swamp, what's the solution, do we abandon poor children because their parents are lazy, do we stop funding for school lunch programs and after school programs to keep them off the streets? Do we abandon children that need help the most, there is human depredation and as Plato said in the 5th book of the Republic, "Poverty is the mother of crime" and that statement is just as valid here and now.

Well Bob,
A good start would be to accept the reality that you don't have to be a 1%'er or work on Wall Street to be a greedy cheat. There are all around us. Some collect welfare, unemployment, or some kind of government check. Many are employed and work hard but also scam their system. Sometimes with the help of their political connections or union.
I'm all for most of the social programs in place designed to help those who need help. But let's make sure the programs are not abused. Where I work[ed] there is almost no one to investigate fraud. If a worker suspects fraud they can close or hold up a case but no real consequences. Prosecution is rare and only when huge sums are involved. There is no incentive for clients to NOT cheat. The whole attitude everywhere is "it's not real money. I'm entitled".
You won't hear liberal politicians talk about waste, fraud and abuse. Instead it is "vote for me and I'll give you more". Obama wants to hire 16,000 new IRS agents to go after taxpayers to make sure they pay for his health car bill. How about hiring a small handful to investigate fraud and waste in all the social programs? Just a few weeks ago there was a story on NJ.com about the president of a board of ed in north jersey busted for lying to get her kid on the free lunch program. Entitlement attitude.
There's a lot we can do without hurting children.
What about the single adult w/o a minor child on welfare? Too tired to go on for hours about this group.

The IRS is not hiring 16000 new agents. That is misinformation being spread to malign the ACA. The question is, will people be mad at themselves for believing the lie or mad at the source they got it from for lying to them?