Enough is enough. Look how many people are killed by illegal immigrants every year? The time has come to put an end to these senseless killings.

Ban illegal immigrants NOW.

There is something very wrong about those who take advantage of terrible tragedies like this one to promote political agendas. I can assure you that the victims and their families don't want to hear bloviated opinions on whether there should be more guns, or fewer guns, or bigger guns, or smaller guns.

I know this personally since my son was a student at Virginia Tech in April 2007 when 32 lives were snuffed out by a deranged gunman. The absolute LAST thing I wanted to hear was a gun control debate. What the Virginia Tech family needed was support and healing, not political debate, and fortunately that support drowned out the political noise.

So let's stop the knee-jerk politicizing, allow our neighbors in Colorado some time to heal, and think about the proper way to organize this aspect of society under less emotional circumstances.

Assault weapons are already banned. If you're referring to the movie theater shooting in Colorado, he used an AR-15 which LOOKS like an assualt rifle but is not. The fact is, gun bans and gun control does nothing to prevent gun crime. Absolutely zero. I would agree with better screening for licenses and much, tougher punishments. The reason gun control will never work, is because criminals pay not attention to the law anyway. I think any responsible gun owner would support tough punishment on illegal gun dealers and criminals who commit gun crime, but they are also tired of being affect by worthless gun control laws that only affect them as law abiding citizens. Guns kill people like pencils make spelling mistakes.

My pencil is never in danger of peppering lead at a rate of 60+ times per minute. Why would I even need it to do that, constitutional right or not?

Guns dont kill people . People do. Should we ban alcohol ? If used irresponsibly that kills too ....

People die in car crashes everyday. Banning all cars is the only sensible thing to do.

For the record> the guns in the movie theater shooting were all legally obtained.

FIRST Bob, he DID NOT USE an assault weapon! There IS a difference between weapons that LOOK like assault weapons and guns that ARE assault weapons.PLEASE try and excersise some journalistic integrity when writing an article. The FIRST RULE of journalism is "GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!" Sadly you are lacking too often.

Now, to get to your (again) wrong headed argument. Guns are NOT made to kill people. Guns are made to shoot a bullet out of one end. Target shooting and hunting are examples of what guns are PRIMARILY used for. Only a TINY fraction are EVER involved in a shooting.

If you want to ban weapons of mass murder, ban cars. They cause MUCH more death than guns. Or how about alcohol related death. BIGGER STILL than gun deaths...and yet you dont consider banning alcohol.
Bob, once again you're out of touch. Once again you have it wrong. And once again, you're solution to the proplem...isnt.

"Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again(BOB); poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves."
- D. H. Lawrence

"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
- James Earl Jones

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

Bayboat has it 100 % right on !!! Great Post bayboat

" And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations".

I will keep my fire arms ban Obama Care!!!

...it's more complex and complicated than: "The simple fact" There are many many long standing factors to this problem. . .Saying that Congress will fix it(assault ban)...is a start, but certainly not a solution. . .where problems lie deeply ingrained in our cultural makeup as a nation?

Bob Griffiths, you can always be counted on to rattle off the token DNC talking points.

Liberal Bob had too toss in the Bush factor at the end of his rant how eloquent.Great response bayboat.The bottom line is if someone wants to cause mass carnage they will find a way to do so even if something is declared illegal.Bob might want to write an article about operation Fast & Furious?Oh wait those are his liberal buddies lol...

berkeley lifer as usual you are sickening . no one is looking to take away your flawed 2 nd ammendment or handgun or regular rifle . people are tired of virginia techs, tuscons and columbines . every time a tragedy happens it brings out the most ignorant of the nra who do the " what if a militia or the govt comes to pull me out of my bed and put me in a workcamp? newsflash lifer people are sick of people dying because of those who have hobbies that involve watching an assault rifles tear apart a watermelon. play time is over . those like you are an insult to the memory of those including that 6 yr old girl. berkeley lifer why dont you put on your nra shirt and visit her paralyzed pregnant mother and tell her you want the same kind of assault rifles available for people to buy with simply a credit card as the one who killed her daughter.

i think lynyrd skynyrd had berkeley lifer in mind when they wrote the song called saturday night special . this one's for you lifer " hand guns are made for killin, ain't no good for nothing else. and if you like your whiskey you might even shoot yourself. so why dont we dump em people , to the bottom of the sea , before some fool comes around here wanna shoot either you or me" . tell you what lifer whatever gin mill youre hanging out in tommorrow telling your nra stories let me buy you your first shot of whiskey. the first of many i,ll send your way because i,m such a skynyrd fan.

Ban alcohol....guess what, that didn't work...people still got alcohol.
Ban marijuana...guess what, people still smoke marijuana.
Ban same-sex marriage...guess what, homosexuals are still living together as husband-husband or wife-wife.

See a pattern here? The only thing banning assault rifles will do is ensure that law-abiding citizens won't have them, but criminals will. (not to imply that homosexuals are criminals, but you get the point.)

Instead, if you want to something, how about a ban on "no cruel or unusual punishment" for acts like in Colorado.

I agree with you regarding assault weapons but I would go one step further. Repeal the entire second amendment. No one except the police and military needs weapons and hunters can go to the butcher/supermarket like everyone else for their game/birds/animals etc. Face the facts. Most guns kill family members, not criminals.

Our answer to everything is to "BAN" it,Requires to much work to fix the issues and gives the party lines something to debate.

More people have been killed in the name of "GOD".Time to Ban all religions!

I think we should ban Bob Griffiths from posting, he kills my brain cells when I read his idiotic posts..stop penalizing normal people for the actions of crazy people

My Blogs are archived on Patch, you can read them or not, but if you really want to know my motivation for this blog to bring back the ban on assault weapons, here it is:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/veronica-moser-youngest-theater-shooter-james-holmes-victims-aurora-dark-knight-rises-movie-screening-attack-article-1.1119600

Jarhead keep fighting the good fight I've got your 6. I love reading the liberal dribble that come out of these threads. Just think if these people were around during the revolution we would all still be drinking tea and eating crumpets.
SEMPER-FI

The actual quote:

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.
---George Washington's First Annual Message to Congress (January 8, 1790)

I'm all for strict gun control laws. They should work just about as well as our strict drug control laws.

bob you will never get through to them. even today as families make funeral plans these "colonial ' types will still say everyone should own a weapon that can kill hundreds of people in minutes.when the next tragedy happens and it will you will see the same ignorant statements all over again. when people were dropping bowling balls off of intersections through the windshields below should we ban bowling balls? well when someone can walk into a theatre with 100 bowling balls and kill everyone yes . cars kill people because of negligence or simply because there are accidents but it was no accident how this maniac walked into a theatre. he was aided by the ignorant voices you see here on this thread . not only do they have no shame they are actually proud with jethro clampett types like jar head and movado who proudly exclaim " those weapons were legally bought" and therin lies the problem. they believe because a thing is legal that its moral. it was legal years ago to own slaves , to deny women and blacks the right to vote. those days might be longed for by bayboat and his buddies but for the sane in america listening to someone talk about a weapon that jammed while it had a 100 round drum pumping out of it not being an assault weapon. it sickens every american who dont see themselves as a sylvester stallone character like these narrow minded people do. bob maybe if you could put a fox news logo under your articles maybe they will listen then.

oh and jim you cant buy alcohol or marijuana online but you can order 60,000 rounds of ammo and 100 round magazines like you were ordering a giants jersey. oh an cr the only fresh air mitt will be seing in november will be the fresh air he gets on his balcony in the caymans as he nurses his lost. mitt who by the way was for gun control before the nra paid him off.

Ny probably has the strictest gun law in America helped a whole lot didn't it? What pecentage of people have been killed in Ny by guns compared to the rest of the country?

While Bob Griffiths may have good intentions -- but let's not forget what Saint Bernard of Clairvaux wrote, "L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs"/"Hell is full of good wishes and desires."

Bob Griffiths obviously does not have a good grasp on the types and functionality of modern firearms.

The term "assault weapon" is a an Orwellian 1984-like definition that was INVENTED by anti-2nd Amendment politicians to describe modern, legal semi-automatic firearm.

Former Violence Policy Center head Josh Sugarmann is credited for inventing it so that his group could cash in on the media-generated hysteria created when a crazy person publicly killed people with a semi-automatic firearm.

NEWSFLASH BOB! Prior to 911, the largest mass murder in America took place at the "Happy Lands" social club in New York City.

A crazy man threw a "Molotov Cocktail" (gasoline in a bottle) into the club, setting it ablaze and killed 81 people in March 1990.

Using your logic we need to:

Ban bars
Ban gasoline
Ban bottles capable of holding gasoline
Ban matches
Ban arms and hands capable of holding gas in bottles.

14 illegals die in pickup truck in Texas. Let's ban pickup trucks.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-23/us/us_texas-truck-wreck_1_crash-truck-illegal-immigrants

Bob Griffiths wants to use propaganda terms coined from the gun control lobby.

I would like to encourage people to watch the following video that was created by police officer Leroy Pyle. This is a short 10 minute video that debunks myths that are perpetuated by people like Bob Griffiths.

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30&mode=related&search=

Here are the top ten leading causes of death in the United States.

Strange, I don't see semi-auto firearms on this list:

Source: http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/finance/2012/01/19/10-leading-causes-of-death-and-what-they-cost-the-u-s-economy/

10. Suicide
- No. of Deaths: 37,793
- Change Since 2000: 15 percent increase in death rate
- Total Cost: $36 billion

9. Pneumonia and the Flu
- No. of Deaths: 50,003
- Change Since 2000: 32 percent decrease in death rate
- Total Cost: $40 billion

8. Renal Disease
- No. of Deaths: 50,472
- Change Since 2000: 21 percent increase in death rate
- Total Cost: $61 billion

7. Diabetes Mellitus
- No. of Deaths: 68,905
- Change Since 2000: 11 percent decrease in death rate
- Total Cost: $112 billion

6. Alzheimer’s Disease
- No. of Deaths: 83,308
- Change Since 2000: 50 percent increase in death rate
- Total Cost: $70 billion

5. Accidents
- No. of Deaths: 118,043
- Change Since 2000: 7.6 percent increase in death rate
- Total Cost: $308 billion

4. Strokes
- No. of Deaths: 129,180
- Change Since 2000: 31 percent decrease in death rate
- Total Cost: $34 billion

3. Chronic Lung Disease (Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases)
- No. of Deaths: 137,789
- Change Since 2000:
- Total Cost: $65 billion

2. Cancer
- No. of Deaths: 573,855
- Change Since 2000: 7.5 percent decrease in death rate
- Total Cost: $227 billion

1. Heart Disease
- No. of Deaths: 595,444
- Change since 2000: 25 percent decrease in death rate
- Total Cost: $190 billion

jim durkin i went on the "gun safe" website which is a pro 2 nd ammendment pro gun nut website and here are the numbers it listed and it may help you understand why gun control laws in ny dont work . (actually the only real gun law in ny is the one year mandatory jail term for possessing an illegal weapon) . in 1996 over 600,000 legally owned guns were stolen from homes and now are in the hands of criminals. do the math jimbo that would mean that because of the right to arms people now since 96 there is around 9 million guns in the hands of the bad guys. fatal firearm accidents per yr by legally owned guns 1,100. 401 of which were kids 5 to 14 yrs old because those like cr , tool man (cant think of a better name for a man who is a tool) and jarhead , john jay etc cant keep their guns safely stored at home. suicides by legal guns 18,000 per year. assault rifles are 1% what all gun deaths are. i still havent heard one of these gun nuts say yet that assault rifles should be banned. instead they will give you moronic comments like " thousands of people drown in the ocean why dont we ban the ocean?" . bob you better believe not one of these bruce willis die hard types would ever have the nerve to express their lame views to any family who lost loved ones to senseless gun violence.

if you go in a store and try to buy 5 packs of sudafed the cops are called and they will want to find out your intentions. this maniac walked into a pawn shop and walked out with an arsenal of weapons and the only question he was asked was "visa or mastercard?' .

the irony of it all is that this maniac's lawyer will be using the same talking points memos all these gun nuts just used to save him from the death penalty as he dozes in the courtroom.

john hayes you say the same thing the nra does after every gun tragedy " now is not the time to talk about it" actually the time to have talked about it was before virginia tech. when is it ever a good time to talk about it john? in the meantime the nra is hoping some other big news event will happen and the 24 hour news cycle will push the colorado story out of the headlines like it did after comlumbine, virginia tech, tuscon and so many others.

RE: enough is enough 2:18 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012: "john jay etc cant keep their guns safely stored at home."

Newsflash pal. Here's what a criminal would have to do to get access to my legally registered firearms:

* Torture me to obtain the keypad combination (I can assure you that isn't going to happen) OR

* Defeat my house alarm/motion detector AND
* Knock the reinforced door down to the room where my steel safe is located AND
* Use a ship hull welder's torch to cut through the safe door and use plastic explosives to blow the door off OR
* Pry the safe from it anchor from the wall and carry it out my front door (that's going to require about 4 males capable of bench pressing 300 pounds.

...I can assure YOU won't get them nor will any bad guys.

The next time you want to defame me and legitimate owners, you should do some research.

Take your political agenda, lack of firearms knowledge and ignorance of the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports somewhere else.

john jay if they were able to torture and kill you why would they need the combination of your safe to get a gun to kill you? they already have a gun right? " defeat my house alarm" lol yes johnny because house alarms are impossible for those trained in them to defeat. as for the aptly named jarhead no one is stopping you from owning a gun to protect yourself in your home but if you think you need to have 4 assault rifles to protect your home you must be expecting an army or ' militia' to attack you. thats why we have ammendments to the constitution because it is a fluid document that has been "amended" many times in the past. its not carved in stone like moses holding up the ten commandments . ironically heston was the voicebox of the nra. john jay why dont you tell the parents of the almost 500 kids killed every year by their parents gun that they should have used the chase manhattan safe you have and their kids would still be alive. sounds to me like you would have to be more like tom cruise in mission impossible trying to unlock your vastly complicated safe before it takes the 5 seconds or so before armed intruders would reach your bedroom. i know if i have a bad guy coming into my room to kill me the first thing i would want to do is scramble in the dark trying to get the combination right. hows that for a newsflash pal?

I REPEAT:
I am not worried about those weak "gun huggers" that want to attach a trigger to their manhood. I think about the first police officer that entered that theater or the first EMT that saw first hand what a round from an assault rifle does to the human body, but most of all I think about that little 6 year old girl that died, I can't get her picture out of my head. So I say to those that support the gun merchants that sell death in the form of an assault weapon, I Will Not Go Quietly Into The Night.

as for pawns jarhead youre dripping with hypocrisy because its you , john jay and others still fighting to keep assault rifles legal when it was an assault rifle that killed so many last thursday and your brilliant defense was " the drum jammed" so if he had bought a better drum online with simply a credit card i guess he would have really got the chance to do some real damage right? its scary they let people like you even vote. jarhead who i doubt ever even served in the marines but wishes he had the gutsto . just more hypocrisy

I tell you what, "enough is enough", I bet the first thing you'd cry out for if some thug were attacking you with ANY WEAPON would be "I wish I had a gun."

The problem with people like you is that you are brainwashed into believing that calling 911 is going to STOP crime...or that banning my legally registered, locked down (when not at the range) firearms is going to STOP crime.

Just because YOU can't take care of yourself doesn't mean I can't. Now if you'll excuse me, I am off to the range.

Maybe you should be asking why a 6 year old is at a midnight showing of a movie in the first place. A shotgun could have killed her too and that is not an assault weapon..you liberals are friggin clueless..God saves us from these tree huggers, it is getting to be to much

newsflash john jay i have been shot at. i didnt run. another time in the subway i used my wits by pretending to talk to the other "undercover cops" by talking into my coat lapel when i was about to get mugged instead of getting out my charles bronson hardware which saved my life. they thought twice about it and got off in the next minute at the next stop . but much like the texas gop you ban instead " critical thinking" . my louisville slugger next to my bedroom door is more than adequate to handle the situation and the high powered pepper blaster in my glovebox which is legal in jersey can deal with any road problems. if i were mitt romney john jay i would say "wanna bet ten grand" to bet you and jarhead are completely full of it. basically paranoid people. if you think people are coming in your windows to kill you its time to call the real estate lady and look for a new town.

well said bob . while these gun nuts like john jay are thinking about going to the range i,m thinking about the paralyzed pregnant mother of that girl who when told her daughter had died her first words were " i want to die" . i,m sure that woman would find what jarhead john jay and the rest of the hee haw crowd so interesting and helpful to her.

First of all Bob, get your facts straight. An AR - 15 is not an assault rifle. 99% of crimes are committed with handguns . Do you housewives posting on here have any idea what an assault rifle is ? Please stick to super soakers & HGTV.

there is a simple fix to this whole problem. if they want to shoot rambo type weapons even if they want to shoot rpgs then fine let them go to a place and rent time on those weapons then they can leave those weapons there and go home. i,ve been to shooting ranges and i,ve shot guns i would even try an ak 47 but at paper targets and that gun doesnt come home with me. problem solved but no its so much better just buying whatever you want simply because you have the right amount of cash on you

Enough of the NRA script about "healing". There is never time to heal. We go from one mass murder to another in this country. The NRA wants to change the subject when the inevitable results of their lobbying erupt in full force on our nation's streets, schools, and now movie theaters. If you want to read the constitution literally, we should allow citizens to have nuclear weapons since that is what it would take in 2012 to overthrow our government.

If we had the right to bear arms like some states do, that guy wouldnt have gotten past the 3rd person before being shot. What it breaks down to is whos hands the gun is in. The gun argument is a moot one because anything can be used as a weapon, including a 747 flying into a building.. So i ask you people to stop being so stupid & ignorant.. When i hear something strange at night that dont sound right , i reach for my Glock 23 & i am responsible for whatever i hit when & if i pull that trigger. You people wanna call the cops go ahead, but when you hear sirens its already to late for you & your family when a nut job is invading your home and assaulting your family. The 1st thing you idiots will think is " I wish i had a gun"

Does any one on the board know who has the most automatic weapons in the world?

FYI.... anything can be used as a weapon. Even a 747 flying into a building. If i hear something at night that dont sound right, i grab my gun. But i also know that i am 100% responsible when or if i pull that trigger. If someone invades my home and tries to assault my family im not going to be that idiot that says " i wish i had a gun " . Sure you can call the police, but when you hear the sirens , its already too late !

Do you really believe that a ban on any kind of gun will stop criminals and crazy people from getting them?Since when does a criminal obey the law?I fully support the N.R.A.

actually movado 747s were designed to fly people from place to place . guns have only one purpose and thats to shoot living things to make them not living things anymore. m river you can cry me a river about your liberty being taken away. those people not only had their liberty taken away but also their lives . joe cool you blame a 6 yr old victim to defend assault weapons and yet you can look yourself in the mirror . amazing. how much you want to bet movado shoots some innocent person doing his dirty harry impression.? the most ignorant argument is that our founding fathers wrote a perfect constitution. thats why they have ammendments to fix the flaws. if it was 150 yrs ago you people would be whining about your constitutional rights were being taken away because you cant own slaves . 90 yrs ago those like antonio and april ellis would have been droning on about women not being allowed to vote because the constitution says so. thats the problem with you gun nuts you think the constitution was written only for you.

right now in the u.s 40% of gun sales are done without a background check. that means 40 % of guns can be sold to crazy people and felons. and you gun nuts say no improvement is needed . congrats you have achieved much.

the most ignorant is joe cool who says " we should ban bob griffiths from posting" . typical gun nut who wants to remove a person's first ammendment right to talk about the 2 nd ammendment right and more proof they cherry pick the constitution. the ammendment they like must come at the cost of the ones they dont like.

RE: enough is enough 3:44 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012 "john jay why dont you tell the parents of the almost 500 kids killed every year by their parents gun that they should have used the chase manhattan safe you have and their kids would still be alive."

You are playing games with statistics, "enough is enough". Let me enlighten you regarding the FBI's Uniform Crime Report (UCR) and the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) mortality-related reports.

The FBI just reported that VIOLENT CRIME is actually DOWN: "Specifically, according to our Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report, January-December 2011, violent crimes fell 4.0 percent, and property crimes dropped 0.8 percent. Arson—also a property crime even though its data is considered separately because of various levels of participation by reporting." See the link at: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/june/crimes_061112/crimes_061112

Now, regarding those statistics...

According the FBI's Uniform Crime Report (2010):

Total murders: 12,996 -- of that number:

* 8,775 murders involved a firearm
* 4,221 murders involved "Other weapons" and "Hands, fists, feet"

So, using YOUR logic, I assume we should chop off the hands and feet of every person in America because nearly 50 PERCENT of the murders involved the someone using their hands, feet and some other weapon to kill people.

Let me know when you're ready to give up your hands and feet in the name of CRIME PREVENTION.

The criminal has the element of surprise going for him so he will, in most cases, have the upper hand. The child just shot at a basketball game was shot by a teen who was allegedly defending himself from gun violence. We have restrictions on our freedoms everyday for the greater good, but there is no frenzied backlash as you see demonstrated on this board because only a well funded lobby group like the NRA can purchase politicians and manipulate public opinion so effectively.

Assault Weapon......What is an assault weapon? A rock that someone is trying to "Assault me with"? A knife, a bomb? Or is it a lowly .22 cal. single shot bolt action squirrel gun Better known as a mouse gun that someone is trying to shoot me with...Even our congress can't describe it, just ask them...I suggest you google "mass murders throughout history" and see some of the horrific killings that have taken place without a gun not including military actions or police actions....up to 800 children in 1458??...Sheron perez said it best " If you can't solve a problem perhaps it's not a problem but a condition and has to be dealt with as such" Humans are killers and will use any weapon that is necessary in order to carry out their wants. not only guns...I for one will always have a gun (s) of my choice .I feel if a member of the Government can have a gun to protect either himself or his family I have the same right. He or she is no better than I nor am I any better than anyone of them. my time in the service during the 60s taught me and many others how to use a weapon properly and i will continue to do so.

"enough is enough" and "Bob Griffiths" are engaging is some pretty nasty personal attacks and using false or misleading data to try and support their flimsy arguments.

I wonder if their doctors would prescribe a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) to help calm down their anger -- but wait -- here's something interesting from Dr. Moira Dolan:

The Center for Disease Control (in 2005) reported that 118 million prescriptions had been written for anti-depressants, and that the number of people using anti-depressants had “almost tripled between the periods 1988-1994 and 1999-2000”. One popular SSRI drug called Prozac has been prescribed to more than 38 million people worldwide.

Why do I bring this up? How about the following FACTS in my next post.

Here are some FACTS the Bob Griffiths and "enough is enough" FAILED to write about the connection between SSRIs and MURDER (source: Dr. Moira Dolan, beforeitsnews.com)

It was reported that Eric Harris, one of the Columbine shooters, was taking LUVOX, which, like Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, belongs to the class of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs). In one out of every 25 children taking it, Luvox causes mania, "a psychosis characterized by exalted feelings, delusions of grandeur…and overproduction of ideas."

Read the following and SEE THE PATTERN:

* 15-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho, fired a shotgun at students and school staff. According to his stepfather, he had been taking an SSRI.

* 13-year-old Chris Fetters of Iowa killed her favorite aunt. She was taking Prozac.

* 15-year-old Kip Kinkel went on a rampage in Oregon. He first shot and killed his parents, spent the night with the bodies (characteristic of the dissociative reaction these drugs often cause), then killed two and wounded 22 of his fellow students at Thurston High School. He was taking Prozac.

BAN ALL CARS! We can't afford to have drunk drivers killing people! See your insane logic, Bob? We need guns, guns and more guns. Every law-abiding american should be armed to the teeth

http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/major-shootings.pdf

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/Officers-Gunned-Down.pdf

Goodness this liberal jerk babbeling on again. Hey Patch enough already. Take away this morons keyboard away.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/26/REVEALED-Corzine-s-MF-Global-Was-a-Client-of-Eric%20Holder-s-Law-Firm

I wasn't wearing any pants when I wrote my submission.

My parents never hugged me.

RE: "My parents never hugged me." -Bob Grifiths 6:16 pm on Thursday, July 26, 2012

That might explain your anti-social behavior that is directed at firearms-owning veterans that understand the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and Center For Disease Control reports that you.

Seriously, why are you so angry at me? I served my country, got a great college education, make a good living, care for my family, and we ALL go to the shooting range together.

Why do you hate people you never met?

The argument that guns don't kill people is old and tired. What matters is comparing the statistics of gun-related deaths in different countries. In one year, recently, Finland had 17 gun-related deaths while the US had 9,000 plus. Americans are not more murderous by nature than the Finnish, I doubt. The Japanese have eradicated gun violence almost completely. Across Europe and the rest of the world, gun-related homicides are much lower than in the US. We fought for our freedom from day one, but is this a battle still worth fighting?

Wow now that I have posted and look back at the historic posts, I would rather just stay out of this. There are some serious anger issues here. Carry on without me.

hey willard guns are for hunting food to feed your family, maby you will realize this when you get laid off five years from now by the way does anyone listen to the greatful dead anymore??

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this man would be dead:

* The Armed Citizen July 24, 2012 7/24/2012 Raymond Hiles, 25, was arrested after being treated for a gunshot wound to the neck. He was shot after breaking into the home of Fred Ricciutti, an 84-year-old Korean War veteran. Ricciutti had been asleep with his wife, who was ill at the time, and heard a noise at about 4:30 a.m. He then saw someone come into the room. Ricciutti quickly drew a gun from a nearby drawer and shouted a warning at Hiles before firing once. (York Daily Record, Elizabeth, Pa., 5/10/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this boy would be dead:

The Armed Citizen July 17, 2012 7/17/2012: Police were called after a man shot a pit bull that had attacked his 11-year-old son. The dog belonged to a neighbor and had broken free of its leash before it bit the boy. The boy’s father retrieved a handgun and fired one shot when the dog lunged toward him. The wounded dog ran off, but was later located and taken to be euthanized. The boy was treated for his injuries and is expected to make a full recovery. (The Press-Enterprise, Riverside County, CA, 4/8/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this man would be dead:

* The Armed Citizen July 10, 2012 7/10/2012: Willie White, 75, was watching a basketball game at about 1:15 a.m. when he heard a steady banging at his door. White armed himself with a rifle before an 18-year-old intruder was able to kick in the door. White said, “I was nervous—I figured if someone’s hostile enough to break your door down, he’s capable of anything. So once he came inside my house, I shot him.” The intruder sustained a single gunshot wound that proved fatal. His two accomplices fled the scene. (The Detroit News, Detroit, MI, 3/29/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this pastor and his congregation would be dead:

The Armed Citizen July 3, 2012: Rev. Henry Guyton, 71, a Baptist church pastor, called 911 one afternoon when a man at the church began acting as if he was having a heart attack. The man, 38-year-old Jesse Gates, left the church after being examined by EMS. Gates returned to the church later that day carrying a shotgun. The reverend’s grandson, Aaron Guyton, 26, spotted the shotgun and locked the doors. Gates, however, kicked open a side door of the sanctuary and pointed the gun at the pastor and congregation. As a concealed carry permit holder, Aaron acted quickly to detain Gates at gunpoint until police arrived. Everyone was reportedly unharmed. (goupstate.com, Boiling Springs, S.C., 3/25/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this woman would be dead:

The Armed Citizen June 26, 2012 6/26/2012 Just after 2 p.m. one afternoon, a woman was home alone when she heard a knock at her door. The two men at the door began inquiring about a friend of hers. Suddenly she was forced back into the house at gunpoint and into a closet. That closet, however, was where the woman kept a gun of her own. She fired at the intruders causing them to flee. One of the intruders suffered a gunshot wound and collapsed on the sidewalk outside. He was later pronounced dead. The woman was uninjured. (KCTV5 News, Kansas City, Mo., 4/9/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this man would be dead:

The Armed Citizen June 19, 2012 6/19/2012: A man came to the door of Herschel Matheny, 82, and Jacqueline Hicks, 75, one morning and asked to use their telephone. When the man was given a phone to use, he reportedly stabbed Matheny in the chest and demanded money from Hicks. While giving the man the impression she was leaving the room to get money, Hicks retrieved a firearm instead and forced the man to leave. Matheny was taken to a hospital and is expected to recover. The suspect is at large. (The Southern Illinoisan, Herod, IL, 4/24/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this family would be dead:

The Armed Citizen May 29, 2012 5/29/2012: Dale Vigliarolo and his wife were walking into Holiday Market when they spotted 43-year-old David Shuten in the parking lot wilding a large hunting knife. After a failed attempt to break into a vehicle, Shuten turned his attention to a nearby couple with an infant child. As Shuten approached the family, Vigliarolo drew his .38 Special and demanded he drop his weapon. Shuten dropped the knife and sat on the ground until police arrived. He was then transported to a nearby hospital for psychiatric evaluation. (Royal Oak Review, Royal Oak, Mich., 3/14/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, these employees would be dead:

The Armed Citizen May 22, 2012 5/22/2012: Miguel Lopez Hernandez, 25, and an armed accomplice entered Kelly Jewelers. The accomplice produced his handgun, ordered the store manager to get on the floor, then tossed a roll of duct tape to Hernandez. The manager, however was quickly able to retrieve his own handgun. The armed assailant dashed out the door upon seeing the firearm, leaving Hernandez armed only with the roll of duct tape. Hernandez was arrested and is under investigation for aggravated robbery; his accomplice remains at large. (KSL 5 News, Midvale, Utah, 3/10/12).

If Bob Grifiths had his way, these three people would be dead:

The Armed Citizen May 15, 2012 5/15/2012 : Four armed intruders began to kick down the door of a two-story apartment, so the three inhabitants locked themselves in an upstairs bedroom and exited onto the balcony where they had no escape. One of the occupants grabbed a rifle kept in the bedroom. One of the home invaders, dressed in camouflage with a black cloth covering his face, managed to kick open the bedroom door. The occupant raised the rifle and shot one round at the intruder, causing the home invaders to flee. Derrick Timmons, 20, was pronounced dead when his body was later found. The other offenders are still being sought by police. (The Courier Herald, Dublin, Ga., 3/15/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this woman would be dead:

The Armed Citizen May 8, 2012 5/8/2012: Between 2 and 3 p.m. a woman was stopped along the highway when a man approached her car door. He pulled out a knife that appeared to already have a bloody blade and demanded that she go with him. He threatened her, telling her that if she did not comply she would “end up like that woman on TV.” The woman believed he was referring to a missing teacher confirmed dead just days before. She told the man to wait while she got her cigarettes, then reached down and pulled out a gun. The man quickly fled. (Bozeman Daily Chronicle, Bozeman, Mont., 1/14/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this teenager would be dead:

The Armed Citizen May 1, 2012 5/1/2012: Police received a call from a 15-year-old girl claiming there was someone trying to get into her house while she was home alone. She reported that she heard the front door jiggle, looked out the window and saw two men there. One man managed to get into the garage where he was attempting to steal a pickup truck. After retrieving her father’s handgun, the girl confronted the man in the garage causing him to immediately flee. His accomplice, who had already made his way inside and was ransacking the contents of the home, quickly followed suit. (The Daily News, Texas City, Texas, 1/15/12)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this person would be dead:

The Armed Citizen March 29, 2012 3/29/2012: Early one morning, a resident awoke to the sound of someone shuffling around inside his home. He grabbed his gun and proceeded to search the premises and discovered a man hiding in his basement. The resident fired two rounds from his firearm striking the suspect both times. The injured suspect reached his vehicle and fled the scene. The suspect was later hospitalized; in his wounded state he had struck several parked cars and then crashed the vehicle about a block away. (Associated Press, FL, 12/21/11)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this home owner would be dead:

The Armed Citizen March 21, 2012 3/21/2012: A would-be burglar was arrested after a homeowner called 9-1-1 while detaining the criminal at gunpoint. The intruder, 22-year-old Jacob Pino, entered the home wearing several layers of clothing, gloves, a black nylon mask and shoes covered with plastic bags to avoid leaving identifiable prints. A backpack containing a 22-cal. handgun and a money clip belonging to the homeowner was also recovered at the scene. (The Pueblo Chieftain, Pueblo, CO, 12/14/11)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this woman would be dead:

The Armed Citizen February 23, 2012 2/23/2012: Food delivery drivers have statistically one of the 10 most dangerous jobs in America. Whether that weighed on the mind of a Papa John’s delivery driver when he obtained a concealed-carry permit isn’t clear, but he was glad he did when a man stuck a stolen pistol through his car window and said, “What you gonna do is drop off that money.” The driver drew a .38-cal. revolver and emptied the cylinder. The wounded assailant dropped his pistol and ran into a house across the street, where he was found by police. (The Commercial Appeal, Memphis, TN, 11/05/11)

If Bob Grifiths had his way, this attorney would be dead:

The Armed Citizen January 11, 2012 1/11/2012: Hard-working attorney Curt Crowley was at the office late one evening when he heard a filing cabinet open and close. Knowing he should be the only one in the office, he retrieved his .40-cal. handgun, peered out the door and discovered a burglar rifling through cabinets. “I told him to freeze, but not in language you can repeat,” Crowley recalled. “He ended up begging me not to kill him.” Crowley held the suspect at gunpoint until police arrived. (The Clarion-Ledger, Jackson, MS, 10/10/11)

You see Bob, and "enough is enough" there are thousands of ordinary citizens doing extraordinary things to protect themselves, their families and innocent people with lawfully owned firearms.

Don't expect me to buy into Obama's anti-2nd Amendment propaganda when HE and his ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER knowingly and willingly let THOUSANDS of illegal semi-auto firearms get into the hands of Mexican and American drug gangs so that it would create a backlash against lawful semi-auto firearms.

What Obama and Holder did was commit high crime -- a FELONY -- that resulted in the DEATHS of innocent people and American Federals agents.

So don't try and make me look like I am a criminal for minding my own business and safely using firearms -- go talk to Obama and Holder and ask them WHY they allowed drug gangs to obtain arms from the United States.

We need to see this headline: Eric Holder and Barack Obama: Guilty of gun-running that lead the murder of a federal agent:

Here is Obama's Watergate --

Washington (CNN) -- The House of Representatives voted Thursday to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt for refusing to turn over documents tied to the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting -- a discredited operation that has become a sharp point of contention between Democrats and Republicans in Washington.

The House approved a pair of criminal and civil measures against the attorney general, marking the first time in American history that the head of the Justice Department has been held in contempt by Congress.

House members approved the criminal contempt measure in a 255-67 vote. Almost every House Republican backed the measure, along with 17 Democrats. Shortly thereafter, the civil measure passed in a sharply polarized 258-95 vote.