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Lakehurst Petitioners Granted Request for Public Discussion of Hunting Concerns

Residents want council to help facilitate an agreement with gathering of hunters

Members of the Lakehurst Borough Council agreed to hear publicly the concerns of Cedar Street residents who content that an annual winter gathering of hunters at a nearby home creates a disturbance.

A petition signed by 33 residents was presented to the council weeks ago asks that the mayor and council define the acceptable amount of hunters who can gather at a private residence and the parameters for hanging the day's kill there. Cedar Street resident Janie Baranyay told the council during its Thursday night regular meeting that she objects to the issue being discussed by the governing body during a Sept. 20 closed session.

"I'm gravely disappointed in the council," she said.

The meeting agenda stated that the closed session would be used to discuss personnel matters and contract negotiations. The discussion of the petition request "does not meet any of the exceptions for that meeting," Baranyay said.

"I protest it and think it was wrong. I think it was done because the council didn't want to have an open discussion about this issue," she said.

Baranyay and others are concerned that a gathering of hunters — many of whom are not borough residents — on their street the first week of December for the past about four years is a disturbance. 

"This isn't a backyard barbecue. This is a gathering of about 25 to 40 people or more, every night for six nights with open fires and deer hanging in the yard," Baranyay said. "When is this disturbing my peace and the peace of the neighborhood?"

In response, Mayor Harry Robbins said that the council will hear the concerns in an open forum.  

"We will put it on the agenda for the next meeting," he said.

Baranyay and others have said that they are not opposed to hunting or hanging the day's kill at a residence so long as it is done in a way that is not a disturbance to neighbors. 

"But when you're disturbing other people it's another story," Robbins said after the meeting. 

A letter from Borough Attorney Sean Gertner addressed to the petitioners states that the hunters must stay within existing nuisance ordinances and police should be contacted if a resident feels they are in violation.

The hunters who typically gather at the Cedar Street home are invited to the council's next meeting on Nov. 1 to discuss the issue with the council and neighbors. 

"I'm hoping it's something they can work out," Robbins said.

A very concerned resident October 22, 2012 at 08:44 PM
The town council has, misguidedly, been petitioned to become involved in passing some sort of judgment of this entirely legal, seasonal gathering. Unfortunately, sometimes people who are used to getting their way over and over cannot understand a simple "no can do" response. Those persons, misguidedly, formed a petition with the intent of getting the borough council involved. The easier course of action would have been to approach the hosting neighbor but apparently that would have required a small acount of gumption which doesn't seem to be in the character of any of the complainers. So be it. However, now that the neighborhood issue has been elevated it's suspected that one of the council members could possibly be responsible for some of the more inflammatory comments posted on this page. That person claims to be a life long resident and a safe and considerate life long hunter. If, in fact, that person is a council member he should recuse himself from all discussions/decisions regarding this issue. Shame, shame, shame on that person who posted the homeowner's name, address and workplace.
Michele Dimeo October 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM
"A very concerned resident", I agree with you. Whether "this" person is council or not they should not be mentioning names nor work places. Very unprofessional and very badly done. Most of the town knows one another, we all grew up together. Hunting has been a tradition here since I could remember. I grew up with hunting orange and camo in my home and shot guns. I don't think they should have to go else where, but maybe compromise on some changes. As for our friend who has made the bad decisions in his choice words, i have to say I am highly offended by the word riff raff. My brother and nephew belong to that group. I do not view them as such nor do many people I know. I'm hoping the decisions made by council will be a good one for both parties.
Sabrina Wisniewski Brooks October 23, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Sabrina Wisniewski Brooks The Lakehurst hunting gang has been hunting together for over 20 years. They have made it a tradition to keep the gathering in a townies back yard, whether that be division st, manapaqua or cedar. This gang started out small and has worked its way up to over 40 members. They have friends and family who gratiously provide lunch to this club for six days and offer their home as a place to gather. For one week out of the year i am proud to say that my son is a member of what i would like to call a family like environment. The people in this club have busy stressful lives all year and choose to spend this week together with friends, family, and their children they have taught to hunt. It just so happens that for the past few years the gathering is on Cedar. Never in all the time that I have known this gang have I heard a complaint on any other street they have gathered on in the past. This town should be proud of this and offer a more suitable place to gather if they have concerns.
what the hell October 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM
Realy I find all this in very bad taste,Everyone involved in this that live's on that street knows each other very well since they all are long time freinds so every one thought.The person that mention her place of employment is a coward .When theres a proplem it should be taken care of homeowner to homeowner and im sure since since they have know each other for many years it would have been taken care of.I know every one involved since I was born and raised in lakehurst myself, all I can say to those complaining stop acting like a bunch of high school kids and find something to do with your time since your both retired and take your wifes some where and enjoy life.
Daniell Earley October 23, 2012 at 03:26 AM
I live at 415 Cedar st. To Knothead1 who is obviously doing a Bio on me, yes I work at the Ocean County Sheriff Dept and have for 14 yrs. I have resided on Cedar st for 11 yrs and the correct spelling of my name is at the top left corner. I'm assuming knothead1 or bumphead2 are not your real names. I see that knothead1's blog has been removed I sure hope it didn't have anything to do with A Very Concerned Resident's comment about council member. I am sure it is very easy to lie, insult and exaggerate the facts while you hide behind a screen name. My name and address is out there, If the people in this town have questions they are more then welcome to stop by. Just make sure you park in front of my house. Please one person at a time or the neighbors will complain. And if you bring kids tell them to play real quite outside or they will be called barbarians. Thank you in advance, I'd really hate to piss the neighbors off more.... That petition that was put out for 33 people to sign does not only affect me. It will affect every hunter in this town. The first part of this petition wants to dictate to you, the home owner how many hunters can be at a private residence at one time. (how many of you hunt and hang around together?). The 2nd part refers to the hanging of deer.. They want parameters set on it.. I don't know what that will be..How Many, How long, enclosed area?? Have a good night everyone!!!!!!
Michele Dimeo October 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Well said Danielle
Mike October 23, 2012 at 02:02 PM
Well said Sabrina
WS October 23, 2012 at 09:13 PM
I dont think any body is making an issue of hunting or the fact that it is a tradition or a gathering. But honestly they are not the only people on the block and not everybody is a hunter. I dont understand how partying and drinking until midnight around a fire barrel in your front yard has anything to do with hunting and I think thats what being questioned by those concerned. Im also a hunter and I would not have this in my front yard out of respect for my neighbors. I just think there needs to be some guidlines like what time they can be out there till what time the lights need to be turned off and maybe even move this thing to the back yard. The Lakehurst gang is getting bigger and bigger every year so that needs to be taken into consideration as well. 5 yrs ago there was a handful now they are as big as park and hook (which are both in the woods and insured clubs with rules and guidlines and legit membership.) I understand you have a right to gather but this is turning into an issue of hunters vs nonhunters and tradition vs so called yuppies and I dont think thats the problem. Everybody mentioned is a life long resident of Lakehurst so I dont believe thats the point. I do think that maybe the council and mayor can mediate the problem. Nobody wants to call the cops on each other but I think a little give and take can go along way here.
Lakehurst Lion October 23, 2012 at 10:18 PM
Yeah It's Great When Your Children Drive By Or Walk By Asking Daddy Mommy Why Is All Santa's Reindeer Hanging From A Tree...........Not A Great Place To Be Doing That's Why They Have Hunting Clubs...........
pie October 23, 2012 at 10:59 PM
The name calling should stop everyone are friends they should talk and see if they can work things out and if you do not like looking at the deer do not look its part of Lakehurst
pie October 23, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Lakehurst Lion you must be from the city because your not from pines
Kevin A October 24, 2012 at 12:46 AM
To throw in the name calling. As long as I lived in Lakehurst it has been common practice to hang your days harvest. As far as not taking the neighbors into consideration as far as I know all of the reasonable requests that the neighbors presented, were followed. ie. not parking in front of houses; facing the deer in a certain direction; keeping the volume to an expectable level; and ending the nights at reasonable times. Lakehurst is a small community like most have said and things are normally handled cordially. As far as naming, posting the address and work place of the individual is very uncalled for and disrespectful. If tables were turned I'm sure there would be issues. Simply put it's not a town issue as no ordinances have been broke and every issue that has been brought up in the past was resolved in a neighborly manner.
Kevin A October 24, 2012 at 12:50 AM
I have grown up in Lakehurst and know everyone involved in some form or another. I have hunted with the "Lakehurst Gang" since its inception. There are a lot deceptive comments written on here about the gathering. To name a few..... "WS-I don't understand how partying and drinking until midnight around a fire barrel in your front yard has anything to do with hunting and I think thats what being questioned by those concerned." You obviously don't reside close by, because no one stays out til midnight. Most are gone by 8pm if not all by 9pm. ( people have to be up early to go hunting the next day.) The one day people might stay out later would be the Saturday which is common for most parties. Even then they are respectful and few and far between.
Kevin A October 24, 2012 at 12:50 AM
"Jon-Its not just a neighbor issue its a community issue and the town should be required to set some ground rules with this." They do its called laws and town ordinances, None of which have been broke. If they were the towns police force would have handled them with due diligence. They are a very thorough and pro-active department. As you know being a resident of Lakehurst. As for the firework issue, there was a prompt response that handled the issue very professionally. Obviously "Tim" and "We own the night" don't agree on the issue, they both lead us to believe that they live very close, and they might, but have completely different views of the situation. I believe "Tim's" response is a little jaded since he feels the need
Kevin A October 24, 2012 at 12:54 AM
for some reason they posted out of order 1st should be last.
deerlover October 24, 2012 at 01:06 AM
This all could of been resolved and would of been resloved if the cowards on that block would have approached the hunters and the neighbor face to face and asked them to please put a time limit for all hunters to leave etc or to hang the deer in the back yard or what ever request they might of had. Since the cowards have to hide behind the council and you know who you are they are just making a mountain out of a mole hill. They are retired and have nothing better to do but start trouble with their neighbor, hang out at the police station and pretend they are something they are not. They should be living and enjoying their retirement life not thinking of ways to hurt people. Again the cowards should grow a pair and approach these hunters whom they have known all their lives.
Daniell Earley October 24, 2012 at 10:36 PM
Bumbhead2 The "GANG" has gotten larger in the years. However, NEVER has there been 30-35 hunters in my yard. Unless you are counting the 10-15 kids that are in my yard every night playing. Then yes its possible to have that many. Yes it can get loud, but i promise you the majority of noise is coming from the kids playing. And if you live as close as you imply then you already knew this. But blaming kids having fun playing doesn't fit into the ill picture you've attempted to paint. You might also want to add the time this all occurs.. it occurs from 430 pm til 830 pm.. Still a school night. You've also felt the need to put my name and place of employment out there. Everyone in this town already knew so truly no problem there but why are you choosing to hide behind a screen name? There is 1 fire barrel,on the side of the house. It has a permit and it breaks no laws. There is also 1 keg and for you to see that in my yard you are stretching your neck to peer into my yard to see it. But also LEGAL. As I have stated before I am more then willing to speak with you or anyone else on this matter. You already have my address But don't come, unless your willing to be honest.
Daniell Earley October 24, 2012 at 10:41 PM
Thank you for your support and honesty.
Daniell Earley October 24, 2012 at 10:44 PM
Thank you sabrina
Daniell Earley October 24, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Thank you for your support..
Daniell Earley October 25, 2012 at 12:03 AM
WS, I would like to thank you for at least being civil. I would like you to understand that this group of hunters "the Gang" as most put it, is not ran out of my yard. These guys meet every morning on division st. It is then that they know how many will be hunting and where they are going for the day. I do allow them to hang their deer in my yard. I was born and raised in this town and never seen an issue with hanging deer. Still don't. I was raised with hunters and my daughter hunts. Would gladly move deer further back on the side of house. But for me to do that someone had to say something. I am not unapproachable, I still talk to them and pleasant towards them. Even after they called Manchester code enforcer on me then in turn set animal control to my house in September for deer hanging. Being a hunter you know there was no deer hanging in my yard in September. The statement that they are in my yard to midnight is false and falls 3 hrs short of the truth. The fire barrel is on the side yard and pushed back. I start the barrel at 4 pm and extinguish it at 9 pm. There has never been 30-40 hunters in my yard. To be honest if there was its still legal for me to have people at my house. Never have we been issued a ticket, summons or boro ordinance for noise. Being a hunter you also know that it is very costly to be a member of a club. anywhere from 450.00 to 800.00. Most cant afford it. Or don't want to pay that to hunt for a week. They hunt with their kids and family.
Daniell Earley October 25, 2012 at 12:34 AM
These guys are life long friends of mine and I'm sure some are yours as well. Speak to them. Ask them what really goes on. In the 10 years that these guys have been doing this not once has there been any problems. The people pushing this Why now? Why when they go out of their way to the local hunting clubs to see hanging deer? They bring their wine and beer to those clubs and socialize with them. Please don't tell me its because its in the woods. Its because its not on their block. There is no hunting club mentality at my house. It is family and friends outside my house around a fire barrel with a beer. The deer hanging, it's always been done.. And if my daughter kills one, that to will hang with pride. I am sorry but I can not sit back and allow someone to dictate to me what I can and can not do in my yard. To judge if I should be hanging out with what they call riff raff, barbarians ect... I will not be bullied by putting my name, address, and place of employment on this site. I am not ashamed of what we do every year at my house. I am very proud of what we do and will continue to do so for as long as I can.
Dave McCloud October 25, 2012 at 02:28 PM
Most of what is stated in the article is true. I have it on video and will be passing the tape along to Danny, Jimmy, Sue and Jane! If the boro councils doesn't act I would suggest contacting the ATF.
Dave McCloud October 25, 2012 at 03:17 PM
In Danielle's defense she did try and keep things under wraps after the early madness. But its what goes on when she is at work that's a bigger problem. And as a lifetime member of the NRA myself these hunters should know better than to have firearms present where alcohol is being served. The flames shooting out of the unattended barrel are at least 10' to 12' in the air. Its all on video!
Mike October 25, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Obviously you don't have a clue of what your talking about. Do you even know what ATF stands for and what they do. Why don't you drop a line to the US Congress why your at it.
Daniell Earley October 25, 2012 at 05:45 PM
Dave, Welcome to the blog. You are correct most of what was stated in the article above to the reporter was true but not all. You are more then welcome to pass that video tape to them or ATF. It is a little discerning to know you held on to a tape of my house for 3 to 4 years.. Not to mention the fact that you even videotaped my house. I'm sorry.. I'm assuming 3-4 years because you moved 3 years ago?? Nice to hear from ya, and I hope the family is doing well.
Dave McCloud October 25, 2012 at 07:33 PM
Daniell, I was recently contacted and told about the upcoming council meeting. I told the person who contacted me that I had some videos. I also told them I wasn't going to any council meeting. The reason I recorded the "gang" at your house was out of safety concerns considering firearms were present where alcohol was being served. This isn't my fight as I get along with all the parties involved. I hope everyone can come to a common ground.... Best Regards,
Southern Piney October 25, 2012 at 09:59 PM
Give them hell Daniell, NRA, ATF what do they got to do with anything.Sounds to me like they are done hunting at this time and unless they are making moonshine and sitting around the fire with thier guns out. The NRA or ATF has nothing to do with it
onthecuff October 26, 2012 at 06:20 PM
I get it with the hunters and hunting down in this area is a huge thing. My question would be this.... All towns around here, have hunting clubs where they gather and have BBQ's, hang their deer, I guess some of them have a bar so they can have a few drinks after hunting etc. Lakehurst has a lot of wooded area that is off the beaten path. Can't we build a "club" for these guys somewhere in a wooded area? They would have their own space, they could hang their deer and sincerely have their own club. The VFW does in town and those guys are often outside drinking and BBQ'in. Similar to the one thats in Jackson on Bowman Road. Lakehurst should have an official "club" for these guys instead of them having to go from residence to residence and it would solve everyone's issue...... Not to mention these guys would have their own "home " so to speak... and its something they can return to yearly or whenever....
tax paying concerned citizen October 29, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Welll...most of the "members" of this "club" hang out at the VFW also. And most of them are not even Veterans. Figure that one out!

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